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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    I dislike the implication that im picking on islam because its foreign and dirty.Islam is not a race and i'm perfectly within my rights to criticise aspects of the religion which I see as intolerant or violent.I dislike christianity just as much because its notoriously homophobic however christians arent going around blowing people up.But saying that this problem of violence is not just confined to Islam.Its apparent throughout the centuries.Christianity has been just as violent.Giordano Bruno was burnt at the stake because he wouldnt say there were no other worlds.Hypatia was flayed alive in Alexandria because she advocated science and reason over christianty.So the problem of regressive laws and violence seems to be common to both Islam and christianty.Violence appears to be a symptom of the religous mind and you can see this throughout history.
    Yes, its perfectly fine to criticise religion, and I encourage it. The world would be a better place tomorrow if all religions disappeared.

    But the line has been crossed, you people go around incriminating all Muslims and the entirety of Islam with terrorist atrocities, that isn't criticism, that is hate - and your influx of hate is probably a factor which causes radicalisation in some western Muslims.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Last time I checked, the Quran says "no" to violent conquest / aggressive warfare.
    You cannot only use the Qur'an as your source of information on Muslims.
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    You cannot only use the Qur'an as your source of information on Muslims.
    Same can be applied to the person I'm discussing with, but you focus on me because of my tolerant views of other cultures.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    No they don't, a misleading poll or two suggest that x Muslims want Sharia Law, and Sharia Law has no set list of things that have to be followed, and also the majority of Muslims who want Sharia Law do not want it imposed on non-Muslims.

    Get your facts straight.
    Maybe you should read up a bit more on the pew polls
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    No they don't, a misleading poll or two suggest that x Muslims want Sharia Law, and Sharia Law has no set list of things that have to be followed, and also the majority of Muslims who want Sharia Law do not want it imposed on non-Muslims.

    Get your facts straight.
    Read up on the pew polls then take another look at your comment
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Have you ever been to a Muslim community say in India, Indonesia? They are more welcoming and friendly than most Londoners lmao
    This the same Indonesia that spent two decades trying to eradicate the (majority) Catholic population of East Timor in a genocide that killed hundreds of thousands until they were stopped, before terrorists committed the Bali Bombing to kill as many Aussies as possible as a response to Australia's role in stopping it? By the way, the stopping of Indonesia's genocide in East Timor was high up on Bin Laden's list of grievances against the west he outlined. He was angry that we dared to cockblock Muslim genocide against a non-Muslim minority in a Muslim country and vowed retribution. Then the UN diplomat most key to it was targeted in yet another bombing.*

    I remember the time on here some other nitwit tried to claim that Indonesia was a fine example of a peaceful, moderate Muslim country that never experiences Islamist terror attacks and how much of a great success that makes them, then that very week there was an Islamist terror attack that actually made the news over here for a change. Whoops.*
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    I'm not a Muslim, sorry to disappoint you.
    I know. It doesn't change a thing about my argument. And in fact, I have called you out in a different post for using this "I'm not a Muslim" as an argument. No one gives a toss if you are or aren't. What matters is that you defend the ideology.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    I'm not a Muslim, sorry to disappoint you.
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Bending over for them has got us nowhere

    I do think if they want a fight a fight is what they should get
    you're right. i'd just hope you could effectively discriminate against those who want a fight and those who just want to get on with their lives.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/16/us...rnd/index.html
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    I know. It doesn't change a thing about my argument. And in fact, I have called you out in a different post for using this "I'm not a Muslim" as an argument. No one gives a toss if you are or aren't. What matters is that you defend the ideology.
    You realise you said I was a Muslim? I was just clarifying something simple which evidently confuses you. :rolleyes:

    "and the systematic discrimination and oppression inherent in the ideology you subscribe to (as a Muslim)"

    Are you even reading what I am typing, or are you another troll?
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    This the same Indonesia that spent two decades trying to eradicate the (majority) Catholic population of East Timor in a genocide that killed hundreds of thousands until they were stopped, before terrorists committed the Bali Bombing to kill as many Aussies as possible as a response to Australia's role in stopping it? By the way, the stopping of Indonesia's genocide in East Timor was high up on Bin Laden's list of grievances against the west he outlined. He was angry that we dared to cockblock Muslim genocide against a non-Muslim minority in a Muslim country and vowed retribution. Then the UN diplomat most key to it was targeted in yet another bombing.*

    I remember the time on here some other nitwit tried to claim that Indonesia was a fine example of a peaceful, moderate Muslim country that never experiences Islamist terror attacks and how much of a great success that makes them, then that very week there was an Islamist terror attack that actually made the news over here for a change. Whoops.*
    link to me this terrorist attack in Indonesia please

    if you fail, you are another lying troll who doesn't know what he is talking about
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    (Original post by CounTolstoy)
    I smell ignorance.
    I smell the uncomfortable truth
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    link to me this terrorist attack in Indonesia please

    if you fail, you are another lying troll who doesn't know what he is talking about
    Does the reverse apply?
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Does the reverse apply?
    Yeah, if there has been a terrorist attack in Indonesia in the time he specified, I will kindly **** off.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Yeah, if there has been a terrorist attack in Indonesia in the time he specified, I will kindly **** off.
    He didn't claim there was a terrorist attack

    He said and I quote

    'Catholic population of East Timor in a genocide that killed hundreds of thousands until they were stopped.' (this is true by the way)

    So I ask again if you don't know what you are talking about are you just another troll?
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    He didn't claim there was a terrorist attack

    He said and I quote

    'Catholic population of East Timor in a genocide that killed hundreds of thousands until they were stopped.' (this is true by the way)

    So I ask again if you don't know what you are talking about are you just another troll?
    Are you blind?

    He said:
    "I remember the time on here some other nitwit tried to claim that Indonesia was a fine example of a peaceful, moderate Muslim country that never experiences Islamist terror attacks and how much of a great success that makes them, then that very week there was an Islamist terror attack that actually made the news over here for a change. Whoops.*"

    Keep up pal
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Are you blind?

    He said:
    "I remember the time on here some other nitwit tried to claim that Indonesia was a fine example of a peaceful, moderate Muslim country that never experiences Islamist terror attacks and how much of a great success that makes them, then that very week there was an Islamist terror attack that actually made the news over here for a change. Whoops.*"

    Keep up pal
    Oh dear

    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    This the same Indonesia that spent two decades trying to eradicate the (majority) Catholic population of East Timor in a genocide that killed hundreds of thousands until they were stopped, before terrorists committed the Bali Bombing to kill as many Aussies as possible as a response to Australia's role in stopping it? By the way, the stopping of Indonesia's genocide in East Timor was high up on Bin Laden's list of grievances against the west he outlined. He was angry that we dared to cockblock Muslim genocide against a non-Muslim minority in a Muslim country and vowed retribution. Then the UN diplomat most key to it was targeted in yet another bombing.*

    'Keep up' you mean slow down don't you.....

    I note now you''ll ignore this genocide orchestrated by the Muslim leaders as it doesn't fit your narrative

    Here's something else for you to ignore

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...the-world.html

    'Before East Timor gained independence from Indonesia, 100,000 Catholic non-combatants were killed by agents of the Suharto government between the 1970s and the 1990s. '
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Oh dear

    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    This the same Indonesia that spent two decades trying to eradicate the (majority) Catholic population of East Timor in a genocide that killed hundreds of thousands until they were stopped, before terrorists committed the Bali Bombing to kill as many Aussies as possible as a response to Australia's role in stopping it? By the way, the stopping of Indonesia's genocide in East Timor was high up on Bin Laden's list of grievances against the west he outlined. He was angry that we dared to cockblock Muslim genocide against a non-Muslim minority in a Muslim country and vowed retribution. Then the UN diplomat most key to it was targeted in yet another bombing.*

    'Keep up' you mean slow down don't you.....

    I note now you''ll ignore this genocide orchestrated by the Muslim leaders as it doesn't fit your narrative

    Here's something else for you to ignore

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...the-world.html

    'Before East Timor gained independence from Indonesia, 100,000 Catholic non-combatants were killed by agents of the Suharto government between the 1970s and the 1990s. '
    :troll:

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    A list of terrorist attacks in Indonesia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_Indonesia

    Take your Pick
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Oh dear

    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    This the same Indonesia that spent two decades trying to eradicate the (majority) Catholic population of East Timor in a genocide that killed hundreds of thousands until they were stopped, before terrorists committed the Bali Bombing to kill as many Aussies as possible as a response to Australia's role in stopping it? By the way, the stopping of Indonesia's genocide in East Timor was high up on Bin Laden's list of grievances against the west he outlined. He was angry that we dared to cockblock Muslim genocide against a non-Muslim minority in a Muslim country and vowed retribution. Then the UN diplomat most key to it was targeted in yet another bombing.*

    'Keep up' you mean slow down don't you.....

    I note now you''ll ignore this genocide orchestrated by the Muslim leaders as it doesn't fit your narrative

    Here's something else for you to ignore

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...the-world.html

    'Before East Timor gained independence from Indonesia, 100,000 Catholic non-combatants were killed by agents of the Suharto government between the 1970s and the 1990s. '
    Please stop! You cannot claim that government represents Islam!
 
 
 
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