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    (Original post by CaudexMaximus)
    But the fact is that God CAN'T tell if they will fail the test because humans have freedom and autonomy and without it there would be no point in humans existing- the concept of heaven and hell relys on the freedom humans have to make these decisions.
    In that case God isn't omniscient.

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    (Original post by RobML)
    In that case God isn't omniscient.

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    But God is transcendental in nature and can't be fully understood by the human mind, furthermore God is neither temporal nor spatial and doesn't exist in the same linear concept of time we know of. Instead God would still be omniscient and yet be unaware of the future decisions of humans and thus providing freewill. Think of it as a separate timeline similar to a loop.
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    (Original post by CaudexMaximus)
    But the fact is that God CAN'T tell if they will fail the test because humans have freedom and autonomy and without it there would be no point in humans existing- the concept of heaven and hell relys on the freedom humans have to make these decisions.
    What version of God are you talking about because I'm pretty sure that all the main ones are professed to be all-knowing and would thus definitely know the outcome of the test in advance.
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    (Original post by CaudexMaximus)
    But God is transcendental in nature and can't be fully understood by the human mind, furthermore God is neither temporal nor spatial and doesn't exist in the same linear concept of time we know of. Instead God would still be omniscient and yet be unaware of the future decisions of humans and thus providing freewill. Think of it as a separate timeline similar to a loop.
    I'm sure that even you know what you've just written is a contradictory, nonsensical mess. It's nothing more than a vague, jumbled get out clause to try and explain away the obvious theological flaws. And it doesn't do a very good job.
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    (Original post by CaudexMaximus)
    But God is transcendental in nature and can't be fully understood by the human mind, furthermore God is neither temporal nor spatial and doesn't exist in the same linear concept of time we know of. Instead God would still be omniscient and yet be unaware of the future decisions of humans and thus providing freewill. Think of it as a separate timeline similar to a loop.
    If God doesn't know all he's not all knowing. There's no way around that.
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    (Original post by hxfsxh)
    It could be argued, that without suffering, there would be no compassion.
    Also, I understand from some religious points of view that suffering on earth exists as it is a test from God to see how people react to that suffering, in one way being the "test of life".
    Some religions also claim that a greater good can come from suffering.
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    (Original post by RobML)
    If God doesn't know all he's not all knowing. There's no way around that.
    Is there a both?
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    The same reason why your parents left a coin under your bed instead of the "tooth fairy".
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    (Original post by davidguettafan)
    It doesn't make any sense


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    it does make sense but you cant see it since you know the wrong things
    this life is but a test for the next god loves us all but that doesn't mean he wont judge us you know the wrong god you know the god who does miracles and lets
    people pray to him for more money or a nice car
    you know the god who says love everyone no matter who they are but the real god
    is the one that only listens to prayers about growing in the spirit and the real god is
    the one who says preach the message to the ends of the earth because people
    should atleast have a chance to be saved because us Christians will be martyred
    and killed for our faith and that is the ultimate test DO YOU LOVE GO MORE THAN
    LIFE? we will be offered to take the mark of the beast and if we don't they kill us if
    we die for him we go to heaven but if we take that mark they let us live and we go to
    hell all in all if you want more info watch a man on youtube called wayne levi price and maybe JUST MAYBE you may be saved aswell
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    and god might know the answers but keep them locked away until the time has
    come he might have made himself temporarily forget we cant be sure tho
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    (Original post by kai-jean)
    and god might know the answers but keep them locked away until the time has
    come he might have made himself temporarily forget we cant be sure tho
    Ah the beauty of arguing for God. The ultimate cop out - we don't understand / we can't be sure. Must be lovely to have a get out of jail card.

    I wonder if theists go around life arguing in the same manner about things not related to God. Or if they are actually capable of rational thought.
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    Ah the beauty of arguing for God. The ultimate cop out - we don't understand / we can't be sure. Must be lovely to have a get out of jail card.

    I wonder if theists go around life arguing in the same manner about things not related to God. Or if they are actually capable of rational thought.
    "We don't know, we don't understand it" is the basic response of most atheistic physicists when confronted with the Kalam argument, for example, so that's blatantly hypocritical
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    There needs to be a balance between everything in life, good and bad, rain and sunshine, happiness and sorrow, the list goes on.
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    When will you deluded people come to terms with the fact that God
    doesn't
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    (Original post by hxfsxh)
    reiterating what I wrote in my RS exam
    "Love thy neighbour"
    "The body is a temple"
    "Don't spill the seed" (this is my personal favourite )

    I think it's safe to say my RS results won't be very pretty this Thursday, considering I only used those 3 quotes.
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    (Original post by honour)
    When will you deluded people come to terms with the fact that God
    doesn't
    exist?
    Facts are only deemed such when proved. I invite you to try this

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    (Original post by SunnysideSea)
    "We don't know, we don't understand it" is the basic response of most atheistic physicists when confronted with the Kalam argument, for example, so that's blatantly hypocritical
    That's the point, we don't know. But we don't pretend the answer is "God"...

    Edit: that argument is the biggest load of bs. It pretends assumptions are premises. And in the end, even supposing it is actually right that there is some timeless power*, the jump from that to "God" as he is characterized in the Bible or in the Quran is nothing but delusion.

    *something I have said in another post that I do not actually discount the possibility of.
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    That's the point, we don't know. But we don't pretend the answer is "God"...
    Exactly, you don't know. In other words you have no basis for arguing God doesn't exist, and theists have many reasons for believing God does (Moral, Ontological, Kalam, Liebniz's cosmological, Fine Tuning arguments for a start, besides any personal experience) So who's on the stronger side? Moi

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    (Original post by SunnysideSea)
    Exactly, you don't know. In other words you have no basis for arguing God doesn't exist, and theists have many reasons for believing God does (Moral, Ontological, Kalam, Liebniz's cosmological, Fine Tuning arguments for a start, besides any personal experience) So who's on the stronger side? Moi

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    Read my edit to the other post. I do not know all of these but most of these apologetic ******** is based on the retarded assumption, note assumption not premise, of a "first cause" or versions of that.

    Not knowing the exact scientific explanation for the origin of the universe does not equate to the answer being "God".

    The ancient Greeks and Romans did not know about say how oceans works. They prayed to a "God" like Apollo in order to explain something they didn't understand. Your God, is nothing more than the manifestation of scared humans that need some sort of reason for their miserable existence in the universe.

    I pity you.
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    (Original post by SunnysideSea)
    Exactly, you don't know. In other words you have no basis for arguing God doesn't exist, and theists have many reasons for believing God does (Moral, Ontological, Kalam, Liebniz's cosmological, Fine Tuning arguments for a start, besides any personal experience) So who's on the stronger side? Moi

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    They're all inconclusive/*****y arguments, no offense.

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