Why abortion should be illegal

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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    I won't claim to know the biology behind it (regardless what a video might say) but honestly I don't know how women live with themselves after. :/ I'm a Catholic and view abortions as wrong, but I acknowledge that it's not right for me to force my views on women, they're the ones who have to live with the guilt and answer to God after.
    Maybe you are incapable of understanding this, but some people don't give a rat's ass about God.

    And are you a vegan? If not how do you live with the guilt of killing an animal? Or even plants, they are living organisms that you kill.
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    (Original post by NUSTweb)
    It's about what is made lawful by God and what is made unlawful by God...Killing children is made unlawful...while animals were made for human use....there are things (harmful) which He forbade and the good things he allowed....
    And idk much of fetus but being a human I can clearly understand that abortion is liking killing a kid....and secondly that kid is part of mother.....
    Like here in Pakistan..kids seats are charged no-where until they sit in lap of their mothers.....so seat and passport issue depends on both space and understanding....
    And plants and certain animals are made lawful to eat while some animals aren't.....
    and a life is a life...this is your materialistic approach by which million were killed and will be killed....

    Don't you read what God said in Quran?
    ''Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned. ''
    Good job we live in countries where the law doesn't care about God
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    (Original post by NUSTweb)
    The one who is responsible for this is Russia,America,UK,Canada,China and alll those countries who are using power not to help people but to make their own countries powerful...........
    and as I said...we are responsible for what bad comes due to our deeds while Allah is responsible for what good comes to us.....
    And he has given us free will...and we destroy ourselves...He simply tests us and that's what is 'life'......


    and what are we doing with these kids...truly,being a Muslim...tear comes in my eyes and heart saddens at which approach you people are going to such things....
    Yea those countries. Not Saudi Arabia and UAE and Qatar or any other filthy oil rich country in the ME.

    And they do so well in helping their fellow Muslims escape the terrors of Syria. Oh wait, they don't, and Europe has to take them all.
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    (Original post by FluffyCommie)
    Christopher Hitchens was a strong advocate of empowerment of women and giving women complete control over their bodies. Making abortion illegal takes away this right and is one of the primary causes in poverty across the world. I'm sorry but I can't comprehend why anyone would want to stand in the way of the eradication of poverty worldwide.
    The Catholic Church is against the eradication of poverty. They are still against contraception. They are still against abortion.

    They need poor people. Poor people are much more likely to be religious, because they are much more likely to need the spirituality to help them.

    In addition, they need poor people because if some get rich they are then so thankful to God that they donate to Church.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Just for the record, I am a woman and I agree with the OP. It's not just men who are anti-abortion, you know
    You don't see the point.

    He didn't say no women are against abortion. He said that if men were the ones having babies, they would have long ago made abortion socially acceptable. In fact, they would have written their holy books with abortion being acceptable.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    At 15 I probably would have done as I didn't hold considerably strong christian viewpoints then. Now however, I've changed quite a lot so if I got raped now I wouldn't. One survey found that less than 0.1% of abortions are due to rape which means that the vast majority of abortion is done for non medical reasons
    0.1% done for rape implies vast majority is done for non-medial reasons?

    That leap of logic could only have been said by a religionist.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Then you punish those who are committing crimes. You can't simply say something has to be legal because people will do it anyway


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    trust me it would never work over corrupt system would do something for the first year or two but then leave it
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    you wanna know how i know that my family could play spot the difference with people they know on crimewatch and have served time for most offences from armed robbery(5 times) to drug dealing (i can count that but several dozen times at different scales)
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    The difference there is people usually end up pregnant as a result of choices they've made so it's far more reasonable to say that you have a responsibility to a 'life' you've created rather than one you haven't.

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    By that argument, you've found yourself at the point of being able to donate organs by the choices you have made too. Because you could have chosen to drink more or eat more saturated fat or smoke so that you get to keep all your organs and personal autonomy. But you chose to eat well and exercise so now you've lost the right to decide whether to keep your non-essential organs.

    So no this isn't about choices it's about shaming others and playing the "you've made your bed now lie in it" card.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    we don't just let people instruct doctors to remove body parts because we don't want them anymore
    There's a whole field of surgery that does operations like that. Plastic surgery. You can remove pints of fat, chop off part of your labia, remove bits of nose.

    You can have your penis/vagina removed for non-emergency reasons. I mean I wouldn't say that gender realignment was simply "wanting" to remove a body part obviously but there are a whole host of valid procedures where we remove body parts that people don't want
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    Honestly, when it comes to abortion there are so many things to consider. Firstly, people have their own perceptions of when life actually begins. Some believe it's at the point of conception, others say at the point of recognisable heartbeat, some even believe life only begins at birth.

    Then there's the idea of pregnancy as a result of rape or incest. The mother may not have a strong enough emotional connection to the baby, and may have not wanted to conceive in the first place. The instance of very low income or no income parents, bringing a child into a life of extreme poverty with no good prospects. Or parents who are at a high risk of abusing the child, it would be unethical (in my opinion) to leave a baby in the care of certain dangerous individuals. Adoption is always a possibility, but social services and adoption agencies are stretched enough as it is, plus few families ever look to foster or adopt.

    Also, there are cases where continuing with a pregnancy could mean a fatality for mother or baby, or perhaps the baby could be born with a life limiting, or fatal illness. I honestly view it as cruel to deliver a baby who will only suffer for a few hours and then die in agony.I could never feel comfortable telling another woman what to do with her body.
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    As a lot of women don't report rape for fear of various consequences, we don't have reliable stats on the prevalence of rape and abortion.

    Girls/women can't win. This was never about a bunch of cells floating around an organ. If you're raped and abort the baby, you're a "murderer". If you're raped and you go on to have the baby, your rape can't have been that bad otherwise why would you want to keep the permanent reminder?

    Basically BS and blame. If we had the only in rape clause, how exactly would you prove rape? Are we supposed to rely on the dismal conviction rates to separate real rapes from all those lying women just accusing people of rape to get rid of the babies they made being reckless and shameless??

    If you can't hear the sarcasm, I shall tell you it is there. The anti-abortion movement like to throw out a lot of sensationalist, and downright wrong, information. At 6 weeks, a foetus is no more a baby than a brain tumour is.
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    (Original post by NUSTweb)
    All blessings are due to Allah and all harm is due to our hands for which we should seek forgiveness...
    I don't understand this. Why are good things the result of Allah, but bad things the result of man?

    Allah should take credit for both the bad and the good.
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    Maybe you are incapable of understanding this, but some people don't give a rat's ass about God.

    And are you a vegan? If not how do you live with the guilt of killing an animal? Or even plants, they are living organisms that you kill.
    I'm perfectly capable of realizing that some people don't believe in God. If you didn't notice, I made it pretty clear that I don't force my views on other people. If you don't believe in God then feel free to get an abortion, I'm not stopping anyone. But personally I wouldn't want to answer how I killed a fetus to God. :dontknow:

    And no, I eat meat. God gave humans power over the world, that includes animals and plants.
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    I'm perfectly capable of realizing that some people don't believe in God. If you didn't notice, I made it pretty clear that I don't force my views on other people. If you don't believe in God then feel free to get an abortion, I'm not stopping anyone. But personally I wouldn't want to answer how I killed a fetus to God. :dontknow:

    And no, I eat meat. God gave humans power over the world, that includes animals and plants.
    Did he now, amen to that brother.
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    I would rather be torn apart in the womb at 13 weeks by a strong hoover than be born into a lifetime of misery, abuse and poverty
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    While I'm not in favour of banning abortion I think people need to stop with this 'woman's body, her choice' argument, it is complete nonsense


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    (Original post by NUSTweb)
    Brother listen....All their bad condition is due to our wrong policies and acts...This is what our hands done and there are clear mistakes done by people who are behind them....
    But Allah still provides them provision.....

    You are like a man who kills his kid and says that Allah killed him....while this world is a test...
    All blessings are due to Allah and all harm is due to our hands for which we should seek forgiveness...

    ''What comes to you of good is from Allah , but what comes to you of evil, [O man], is from yourself. And We have sent you, [O Muhammad], to the people as a messenger, and sufficient is Allah as Witness.''The world is a test for all...and who wants to do bad,does.....so he will be paid according....
    Dude stfu with this Allah stuff ffs... your pathetic Ummah and most sacred religious countries have all consitently turned their back on the plight of people in poverty, people fleeing persecution and war more often than not inflicting such misery themselves

    Religion needs to die, i cannot handle the harmful sanctimony and the stupidity
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    (Original post by jamesthehustler)
    trust me it would never work over corrupt system would do something for the first year or two but then leave it
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    you wanna know how i know that my family could play spot the difference with people they know on crimewatch and have served time for most offences from armed robbery(5 times) to drug dealing (i can count that but several dozen times at different scales)
    I don't understand what you're trying to say.

    (Original post by ~Tara~)
    By that argument, you've found yourself at the point of being able to donate organs by the choices you have made too. Because you could have chosen to drink more or eat more saturated fat or smoke so that you get to keep all your organs and personal autonomy. But you chose to eat well and exercise so now you've lost the right to decide whether to keep your non-essential organs.

    So no this isn't about choices it's about shaming others and playing the "you've made your bed now lie in it" card.
    That's very tenuous. I'm not shaming anyone, I've said multiple times that abortion should not be banned

    (Original post by ~Tara~)
    There's a whole field of surgery that does operations like that. Plastic surgery. You can remove pints of fat, chop off part of your labia, remove bits of nose.

    You can have your penis/vagina removed for non-emergency reasons. I mean I wouldn't say that gender realignment was simply "wanting" to remove a body part obviously but there are a whole host of valid procedures where we remove body parts that people don't want
    Yes but there's a limit, I couldn't ask a doctor to amputate my arms and legs and attach them to my head. It would be perfectly reasonable to say that the limit on 'removing your body parts' (even though a foetus isn't a body part of a woman) could/should be drawn at removing something which will in all likelihood become a human.


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    I don't understand what you're trying to say.
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    our government is corrupt and cutbacks would lead to failing by police who are pushed to do more with less resources as for that other bit criminality is in my blood so I know the ins and outs of criminal mentality
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    (Original post by jamesthehustler)
    our government is corrupt and cutbacks would lead to failing by police who are pushed to do more with less resources as for that other bit criminality is in my blood so I know the ins and outs of criminal mentality
    I don't really understand the relevance of what you're saying though. My point has been that the fact people will continue to do something after it has been banned that's not a valid reason for not banning it. Your experience with criminals also seems rather irrelevant


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