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why do people simply not care when it comes to clivilians getting killed in Syria?

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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Let's look at this narrow point.

    These people were either active in creating or acquiesced in creating a country that rejected democracy and good sense. As in many Moslem-dominated countries, democracy is anathema to them. They choose either undemocratic nationalist governments or Islamist theocracies, neither of which is conducive to peace and a thriving economy.

    Even the various forces of the Syrian revolution largely seek repressive nationalist or Islamist governments rather than a modern democracy.

    So, do the people of Syria deserve the inevitable consequence of extreme nationalism? You tell me.



    Well, after seeing the mess they have made of their own country, why would we want to import large numbers of such people into Europe, which has been peaceful, stable, enlightened and thriving economically for a very long time now.

    Not only do they bring alien ideas of government with them but they bring an alien culture still grounded in mediaeval superstition where religious observance is allowed to dominate life and to stifle the economy and well-being of the people.

    I strongly sympathise with them on a personal level but the safety and stability of our own country is too important to risk by allowing the mass migration of such people.
    So to put it briefly,

    let them die.
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    (Original post by Cremated_Spatula)
    You just want to argue pointlessly, don't you?
    I'm waiting, I'm sure people would love to see the deficit fall by a quarter, or have a penny taken off income tax
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I'm waiting, I'm sure people would love to see the deficit fall by a quarter, or have a penny taken off income tax
    Keep waiting then.

    The fact you think the invasion of Iraq was motivated by empathy says enough.
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    They simply follow all the hackneyed political discourse from the MSM for as long as their amoeba like concentration span allows, before continuing their orgy of ready meals, soap operas and reality kitchen shows....
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    (Original post by Cremated_Spatula)
    Keep waiting then.

    The fact you think the invasion of Iraq was motivated by empathy says enough.
    You said that people don't care when it doesn't affect them, how was Iraq doing that? As I said, if people don't care in this way I guess very few support having to pay an extra penny of income tax just to throw it at the third world, I mean, this is clearly shown below:
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You said that people don't care when it doesn't affect them, how was Iraq doing that? As I said, if people don't care in this way I guess very few support having to pay an extra penny of income tax just to throw it at the third world, I mean, this is clearly shown below:
    I said "majority"
    & "don't really care"
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    (Original post by Cremated_Spatula)
    I said "majority"
    & "don't really care"
    Yes, 18% is an absolutely MASSIVE majority.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Yes, 18% is an absolutely MASSIVE majority.
    I ignored the graph.

    Look, I'm saying that the majority of people have enough of their own sh*t to deal with and when it is a nuisance, painful, exhausting, dangerous or comes at a sacrifice to themselves they will take the route of apathy.
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    It's question of lack of affect. Some people can imagine the horror which is happening, others know it intellectually but can't really take it in. They may be further towards the autistic end of the spectrum? They have trouble relating to other people and/or therefore seeing any urgency in dealing with it.

    I expect that if they were faced with a child lost, injured, crying in the street they would go up to him and take responsibility - because it is right there to be dealt with and doesn't require a leap of imagination. Itr is not as easy to ignore it as something happening hundreds of mile away.

    The suggestion that refugees should just stay in the nearest safe country ie Jordan etc. begs the question. There comes a time when the nearest countries have so many millions of refugees that their infrastructure just won't cope. This is particularly the case when the country, like those in the Middle east, are desperately poor themselves. We are one of the richest countries in the world yet we claim to be struggling with EU migrants who have come here to work . Much more easy to deal with than the traumatised, maybe physically and mentally damaged, refugees from Syria etc.

    We also have a particular responsibility for these refugees because we were complicit in the decisions to draw artificial borders to create these countries with populations with little in common or historic mutual hostility. We set them up to fail. We also have been invading other countries, ( Libya, Iraq etc. ) bombing them, creating the situation the refugees are fleeing from.

    History may condemn us as heartless brutes.
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    (Original post by Cremated_Spatula)
    I ignored the graph.

    Look, I'm saying that the majority of people have enough of their own sh*t to deal with and when it is a nuisance, painful, exhausting, dangerous or comes at a sacrifice to themselves they will take the route of apathy.
    Convenient that, ignoring a graph that shows only 18% could come even close to not giving a **** about anything outside their own little bubble.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Convenient that, ignoring a graph that shows only 18% could come even close to not giving a **** about anything outside their own little bubble.
    It shows that the majority of people would say they find it be important on a bureaucratic level. Hence why I ignored it.
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    I don't want to discuss with you why I currently see things this way, but it's just an opinion, probably one that will change quite often, just leave it.
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    (Original post by pickup)

    History may condemn us as heartless brutes.
    Nah. History is FULL of stuff like this. This is nothing in historical terms. Cruelty, pointless war, murder, rape and suffering on a massive scale drip off its every page.

    What is happening now in Syria s no big deal and will be nothing more than a footnote in history a hundred years hence.

    If it is remembered at all.
 
 
 
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