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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    When I say uncontrollable immigration I mean from the EU we can control non eu immigration, so how would you deal with this while in the eu?

    You underestimate the people of Britain it is the one key flaw in remain voters Britain will not allow it although it is possible to reduces taxes for people whilst increasing income from tax.

    I slightly agree with the media setting the agenda look at brexit the tv stations were against it and the newspapers for it and look at the us election the BBC are basically on their knees for the clintons wondering which one to serve first.

    It is funny how you say that the Eu will protect people from the riches influence when it was the rich who dreamed up the eu having a larger potential workforce is a good way to keep wages down.
    Non-EU immigration is higher than EU immigration - so it's convenient that for your argumentative purposes, this is more of a concern to you. But logically, why would it be?

    Of course it's possible to make more money from increased taxation under purely British laws but if you think in this current climate that is even a remote possibility you know absolutely nothing about British or global current politics and haven't studied it in any depth at all. That May's or any Tory government (or even Labour for that matter) would increase taxation is absolutely balmy.

    Also you write.. "increase and decrease taxes". Be more specific. You're not expressing yourself very well.

    As to your last paragraph "it was the riches who dreamed up the Eu" (sorry mate but if you're going to rant against immigration, at least speak Year 2 English yourself) - obviously it's the baby of Europe's financial pro-corporate institutions. You only need to look at Greece to figure that one out. But again, it's all relative, and is comparatively a socialists' wet dream to compared to how the UK would be without it.

    I'm done on this page.

    Am not arguing against people who are anti-immigrant yet don't even speak proper English. Peace.
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    (Original post by J_89)
    Non-EU immigration is higher than EU immigration - so it's convenient that for your argumentative purposes, this is more of a concern to you. But logically, why would it be?

    Of course it's possible to make more money from increased taxation under purely British laws but if you think in this current climate that is even a remote possibility you know absolutely nothing about British or global current politics and haven't studied it in any depth at all. That May's or any Tory government (or even Labour for that matter) would increase taxation is absolutely balmy.

    Also you write.. "increase and decrease taxes". Be more specific. You're not expressing yourself very well.

    As to your last paragraph "it was the riches who dreamed up the Eu" (sorry mate but if you're going to rant against immigration, at least speak Year 2 English yourself) - obviously it's the baby of Europe's financial pro-corporate institutions. You only need to look at Greece to figure that one out. But again, it's all relative, and is comparatively a socialists' wet dream to compared to how the UK would be without it.

    I'm done on this page.

    Am not arguing against people who are anti-immigrant yet don't even speak proper English. Peace.
    its not the numbers that is the concern if it was best for the people in the country then it is ok, my problem is that we can't control who comes in from Europe when they should be held to the same standards as everyone else or do you not think that they should be because they have to because they are white?

    I get it you have no faith in the people of the country or yourself so you need the Eu to white your arse.
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    (Original post by J_89)
    Am not arguing against people who are anti-immigrant yet don't even speak proper English. Peace.
    And he shouldn't be arguing with someone who conflates wanting to control immigration to being completely opposed to immigration. Peace.
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    Perfect. They look like the kinda people I would want to start an uprising with.
    Just make sure you have a good supply of cocoa, zimmers and ginseng tea.
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    The reaction of people towards the justice's of the high court today has been shocking.

    The High Court's role is to judge a case on it's legal merits, not it's political merits. Saying 'people voted to leave so therefore the court should ignore legal and constitutional principles' is absurd.

    The Court were tasked with determining, as a matter of British Constitutional Law, whether the government needs Parliamentary approval to leave the EU, it has ruled that we do on the basis of well established, legal principles.

    People seem to think that our court should do away with legal principles and judge it solely on political considerations.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    What a German sounding name loooool
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    The Queen's real name is Frau Battenberg (nee Sax Koberg Gotha)
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    Parliament voted 544 to 53 to hold the referendum in the first place.

    I don't have a problem with Parliament voting on invoking article 50 but if they ignore the will of the British people then there will probably be violence.
    As before I refer you to the below. Besides, it says a LOT about brexiters if they threaten violence if they don't get their own way. The irony of course is that often brexiters talk about preserving democracy, but are totally fine with physically destroying the country they claim to love and are totally cool with a dictatorship style of govt if it means they get us out of the EU...

    (Original post by The_Internet)
    Cos the over 50's are known for rioting..
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    It wasn't about a 'UKIP style' Brexit.

    It was about whether we leave the single market and completely restore independence.
    And there's the problem - different people thought that they'd get different things by voting leave. In reality, I suspect most will not get what they thought that they voted for.

    Another major issue is that there was so narrow a gap between the stay and leave votes, but we're embarking on a multi-year process. By the time it's complete, I would not be at all surprised if the vote would be to stay.
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    (Original post by Maker)
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    The Queen's real name is Frau Battenberg (nee Sax Koberg Gotha)
    Yes I know. Just pointing out how many English seem to have forgotten that
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    If it does not happen there will be riots
    No there won't. There will be a Change.Org petition and a hashtag.
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    (Original post by The_Internet)
    As before I refer you to the below. Besides, it says a LOT about brexiters if they threaten violence if they don't get their own way. The irony of course is that often brexiters talk about preserving democracy, but are totally fine with physically destroying the country they claim to love and are totally cool with a dictatorship style of govt if it means they get us out of the EU...
    Yet no one in this thread has actually threatened violence.

    Besides, people wouldn't be angry because "they didn't get their own way", they would be angry because the result a democratic referendum would be ignored. In my opinion, people who voted Remain should be just as outraged if article 50 isn't triggered.
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    This is at least a plausibly correct decision on the law.

    What it is not is a political mandate for Parliament to block the vote. If that happens, it will properly be regarded as democratically illegitimate.
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    And he shouldn't be arguing with someone who conflates wanting to control immigration to being completely opposed to immigration. Peace.
    Fair enough, that is an assumption based on masses of anecdotal evidence that people who prioritise "controlling immigration" above all else tend to be anti-immigrant.

    But that's correlation not causation.

    I'm really done with Brexit and the whole awful situation.

    It's going to happen. And I'm lucky enough to be able to get out.

    You love it - OK, I hope it works out the way you think it will i.e. great for the British people. I highly doubt it will.

    We agree to disagree.
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    Yet no one in this thread has actually threatened violence.

    Besides, people wouldn't be angry because "they didn't get their own way", they would be angry because the result a democratic referendum would be ignored. In my opinion, people who voted Remain should be just as outraged if article 50 isn't triggered.
    Nope, but people are mentioning that there WILL be violence. Tbf in the comments section of many news outlets, brexiters have actually threatened violence and ...civil war. Perhaps they're the vocal minority, but remain supporters never said this... . Please tell me when we ever ruled with a direct democracy in the UK? Leave supporters said that parliament should be sovereign for months and now that parliament does something you don't like (Because of what our elected representatives say, as is usual in democracies like ours) that's apparently bad.. There's a reason that the Greeks thought direct democracy was stupid too.

    The only reason people who voted remain should be angry if a50 isn't triggered is if when parliament votes on this issue, and IF they say we should leave the EU and THEN it isn't triggered, yes that wouldn't be very democratic, within our current system.
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    (Original post by Wilfred Little)
    No there won't. There will be a Change.Org petition and a hashtag.
    There will only be a "riot" on twitter. Besides, I would love to see the over 50s riot. That'd be hilarious.
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    (Original post by The_Internet)
    Nope, but people are mentioning that there WILL be violence. Tbf in the comments section of many news outlets, perhaps they're the vocal minority, but the vocal minority of remain supporters never said this... Any how, many brexiters have actually threatened violence. Please tell me when we ever ruled with a direct democracy in the UK? Leave supporters said that parliament should be sovereign for months and now that parliament does something you don't like (Because of what our elected representatives say, as is usual in democracies like ours) that's apparently bad.. There's a reason that the Greeks thought direct democracy was stupid too.

    The only reason people who voted remain should be angry if a50 isn't triggered is if when parliament votes on this issue, and IF they say we should leave the EU and THEN it isn't triggered, yes that wouldn't be very democratic, within our current system.
    Predictions of violence ≠ threatening violence.

    Since you clearly have a problem with democratic referendums and the British people deciding the fate of their country then does that mean we should discard the outcomes of all previous referendums? How about the decision to Remain part of the EU (common market) in 1975?
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    (Original post by The_Internet)
    Nope, but people are mentioning that there WILL be violence. Tbf in the comments section of many news outlets, brexiters have actually threatened violence and ...civil war. Perhaps they're the vocal minority, but remain supporters never said this... . Please tell me when we ever ruled with a direct democracy in the UK? Leave supporters said that parliament should be sovereign for months and now that parliament does something you don't like (Because of what our elected representatives say, as is usual in democracies like ours) that's apparently bad.. There's a reason that the Greeks thought direct democracy was stupid too.

    The only reason people who voted remain should be angry if a50 isn't triggered is if when parliament votes on this issue, and IF they say we should leave the EU and THEN it isn't triggered, yes that wouldn't be very democratic, within our current system.

    Yes that is me saying there will be riots. Not I want there to be riots, or that I will join in with riots. I will peacefully protest if we do not leave the EU.

    And stop it with your nonsense about it being all over 50's and have some respect for the people that live in the country.
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    (Original post by The_Internet)
    As before I refer you to the below. Besides, it says a LOT about brexiters if they threaten violence if they don't get their own way. The irony of course is that often brexiters talk about preserving democracy, but are totally fine with physically destroying the country they claim to love and are totally cool with a dictatorship style of govt if it means they get us out of the EU...
    Can you name 1 country where democracy includes ignoring the majority of the countries citizens?
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    (Original post by NickLCFC)
    Predictions of violence ≠ threatening violence.

    Since you clearly have a problem with democratic referendums and the British people deciding the fate of their country then does that mean we should discard the outcomes of all previous referendums? How about the decision to Remain part of the EU (common market) in 1975?
    Again... If you read what I said, I wasn't talking about THIS thread in particular. Tbh that one was also decided by..parliament too. They had the final say. Parliament is sovereign. I think that direct democracy is stupid. It gives Shelly from Barnsley with no A levels a say in the actual workings of the country. At least when you elect a representative, they're actually educated, even IF they disagree with your point of view.

    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    Yes that is me saying there will be riots. Not I want there to be riots, or that I will join in with riots. I will peacefully protest if we do not leave the EU.

    And stop it with your nonsense about it being all over 50's and have some respect for the people that live in the country.
    Again...read the above. I wasn't talking about this thread. Besides, most people who did vote leave were over 50. I'd like to see them riot. It'd be really funny.
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