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(Original post by rmhumphries)
Ok, four people, 2 guys, 2 girls, 2 couples. All in year 11 at school.

Couple A both had their birthdays in December. In Janurary, they do it for the first time. Legally ok.

Couple B both have their birthdays in Feburary. In Janurary, they do it for the first time. Legally a form of rape.

That sound right?

Why is the 2nd one wrong?
No that is wrong. Under UK law, you cannot be convicted by a law that was designed to protect you. Hence a 13 year old who takes naked pictures of themselves, although feasibly producing paedophillic images, cannot be arrested for being a paedophile. I think the same would apply in the example you have given.
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(Original post by rmhumphries)
Ok, four people, 2 guys, 2 girls, 2 couples. All in year 11 at school.

Couple A both had their birthdays in December. In Janurary, they do it for the first time. Legally ok.

Couple B both have their birthdays in Feburary. In Janurary, they do it for the first time. Legally a form of rape.

That sound right?

Why is the 2nd one wrong?
The situation of the second couple is not more morally wrong. It is just more illegal. For a reason.
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(Original post by kidintheriot)
Well no it's not normal in the sense that those who feel that desire aren't in the majority.
It is also not emotionally healthy to want to have sex with someone who can't possibly consent, as a child can't. Legally and actually they can't consent (as opposed to a young teenager who can consent actually but not legally). That is why I consider it an illness.
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(Original post by nolongerhearthemusic)
No, because under 16s can be and are sexually physically mature. The term paedophile means someone who is attracted to children who are not sexually mature and are clearly physically children.

People would call you a paedophile if you went out with a 13 year old, but they would be technically incorrect. It would still be wrong, however.
And how is a child leagally defined?
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(Original post by Cowz)
And how is a child leagally defined?
I believe it is under the age of 13.
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(Original post by nolongerhearthemusic)
No, because under 16s can be and are sexually physically mature. The term paedophile means someone who is attracted to children who are not sexually mature and are clearly physically children.

People would call you a paedophile if you went out with a 13 year old, but they would be technically incorrect. It would still be wrong, however.
Judging by previous posts, we're not talking about what someone would technically be. Personally, I consider a 13 year old a child. You might not.
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(Original post by nolongerhearthemusic)
I believe it is under the age of 13.
Nope. I believe it to be under the age of 18, although a child ccan consent to sex at the age of 16.

That is why 16 year olds can't be in porn.
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(Original post by Airel)
Judging by previous posts, we're not talking about what someone would technically be. Personally, I consider a 13 year old a child. You might not.
I am talking about what they would technically be. I am saying that anyone who fits the technical definition of paedophile is ill.

Yes, a 13 year old is a child. But it is a different offense to have sex with a 13 year old than a 12 year old (I believe these are the ages). Wanting to have sex with someone 12 and under makes you a paedophile. Wanting to have sex with teenagers 13 years old and over makes you an ephebophile.
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I think there's a little confusion here. AFAIK, paedopilia is not illegal. The police cannot lock someone up for just being attracted to children. I don't even think the word is mentioned in law. It only becomes illegal if anything sexual with a person under 16 comes from it. If its under 13, then its rape (no matter if they other party said yes or whatever). There is no real splitting of "teenagers" and "children" under law.

However, in society there is. Paedophilia is the attraction to pre pubescent children. Ephebophilia is the attraction to adolescents / teenagers / those in puberty. However many people wrongly assume attraction to anyone under 16/18 is paedophilia.
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(Original post by Cowz)
Nope. I believe it to be under the age of 18, although a child ccan consent to sex at the age of 16.

That is why 16 year olds can't be in porn.
I'm not arguing to legal definition of child and adult, I am arguing the legal definition of pre-pubsescent child and adolescent child, in the context of paedophilia laws.
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(Original post by nolongerhearthemusic)
I am talking about what they would technically be. I am saying that anyone who fits the technical definition of paedophile is ill.

Yes, a 13 year old is a child. But it is a different offense to have sex with a 13 year old than a 12 year old (I believe these are the ages). Wanting to have sex with someone 12 and under makes you a paedophile. Wanting to have sex with teenagers 13 years old and over makes you an ephebophile.
Wikipedia answers all, although you're crossing borders.

Sexual preferences go
Child - Teenager - Adult

The Law goes
Child - Adult
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(Original post by Airel)
Wikipedia answers all, although you're crossing borders.

Sexual preferences go
Child - Teenager - Adult

The Law goes
Child - Adult
This does not change the fact that a paedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to those under the age of puberty (I had read this to be legally 13, but I may be completely wrong). Being sexually attracted to a 15 year old does not make you a paedophile. If you had sex with a 15 year old you would not be legally called a paedophile.
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(Original post by nolongerhearthemusic)
This does not change the fact that a paedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to those under the age of puberty (I had read this to be legally 13, but I may be completely wrong). Being sexually attracted to a 15 year old does not make you a paedophile. If you had sex with a 15 year old you would not be legally called a paedophile.
The term pedophilia or paedophilia has a range of definitions as found in common usage, psychology, and law enforcement.

As a medical diagnosis, it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children

In common usage, the term pedophile or paedophile refers to an adult who is sexually attracted to children or who sexually abuses a child

Medically, a child is most often defined as a young human being between birth and puberty; a boy or girl.

The legal definition of "child" generally refers to a minor, someone under the age of 18.


So it has 2 meanings. Yes to prepubescent, and yes to under 18. Lets clear this up already.
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(Original post by nolongerhearthemusic)
This does not change the fact that a paedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to those under the age of puberty (I had read this to be legally 13, but I may be completely wrong). Being sexually attracted to a 15 year old does not make you a paedophile. If you had sex with a 15 year old you would not be legally called a paedophile.
no, but you would be up **** creek if you did have sex with a 15 year old...
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(Original post by ViolatedTreason)
no, but you would be up **** creek if you did have sex with a 15 year old...
In some situations yes, in some no.
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(Original post by nolongerhearthemusic)
In some situations yes, in some no.
situations such as?
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(Original post by Airel)
The term pedophilia or paedophilia has a range of definitions as found in common usage, psychology, and law enforcement.

As a medical diagnosis, it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children

In common usage, the term pedophile or paedophile refers to an adult who is sexually attracted to children or who sexually abuses a child

Medically, a child is most often defined as a young human being between birth and puberty; a boy or girl.

The legal definition of "child" generally refers to a minor, someone under the age of 18.


So it has 2 meanings. Yes to prepubescent, and yes to under 18. Lets clear this up already.
The questions in the OP I think were talking about attraction/acting upon attraction to prepubescent children. That is what I had taken it to mean. No one is going to call someone having sex with an uner 18 year old a paedophile, since it's above the age of consent. I've not heard anyone seriously (and not jokingly or just for effect/exaggeration) call someone attracted to a 15 year old a paedophile.
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(Original post by ViolatedTreason)
no, but you would be up **** creek if you did have sex with a 15 year old...
But full of happy memories?
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But full of happy memories?
if thats what gets you going... for me personally.. definately not
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(Original post by ViolatedTreason)
situations such as?
Such as 2 teenagers similar in age having sex. It happens, a lot, and it's not wrong. If you think it's so wrong for anyone to have sex with a 15 year old, what about other things? Is it wrong to kiss them? Make out? Oral sex? Where do you draw the line?
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