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    (Original post by ruffian)
    to stop gun crime you would have to phase out a whole culture!
    what culture would that be then...hmm..let me think.
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    A culture of crime and disrespect for others
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    (Original post by ruffian)
    A culture of crime and disrespect for others
    otherwise known as rap.
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    (Original post by ruffian)
    A culture of crime and disrespect for others
    Surely you wouldn't object to "phasing out a whole culture!" of crime and disrespect to others would you?
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Surely you wouldn't object to "phasing out a whole culture!" of crime and disrespect to others would you?
    people would when they realise its predominantly orientated around the black music industry.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    people would when they realise its predominantly orientated around the black music industry.
    Then it shouldn't be banned or phased out. It's merely a cultural expression that we should all become more "aware" of. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Then it shouldn't be banned or phased out. It's merely a cultural expression that we should all become more "aware" of. :rolleyes:
    your beggining to sound like someone who has been brain washed by political correctness. more aware of? you couldnt sound more stupid! we are aware that theres a culture of crime and yes in parts its orientated around black communities. what we need is to find solutions and not just sit back and observe......what good will ever come of that?
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    (Original post by ruffian)
    your beggining to sound like someone who has been brain washed by political correctness. more aware of? you couldnt sound more stupid! we are aware that theres a culture of crime and yes in parts its orientated around black communities. what we need is to find solutions and not just sit back and observe......what good will ever come of that?
    I was being sarcastic. Hence the "rolled eyes" :rolleyes:
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    ahh yea, sorry i didnt notice the eyes.....in that case i withdraw my earlier statement and agree with your sarcastic comment
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    would you like me to quote you some lyrics??

    50 cents - 'PIMP' is a favourite of mine.

    I'm that ***** trying to holla cause I want some bread
    I could care less how she perform when she in the bed
    ***** hit that track, catch a date, and come and pay the kid
    I'm your friend, your father, and confidant, *****


    technically that could be inciting prostitution and thus could be open to prosecution.
    i think that the original lyrics are,

    I aint that ***** trying to holla cuz I want some head
    I’m that ***** trying to holla cuz I want some bread
    I could care less how she perform while she in the bed
    *****es that try catch a date and come and play the kid
    Look baby this is simple u cant see, u ****ing me u ****ing with a P-I-M-P

    source - www.lyrics007.com
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    (Original post by piginapoke)
    For those that produce rap, the music is a snapshot (albeit slanted) of their lifestyle.
    this is such a dated view that its almost laughably the opposite. how many mainstream rap artists actually still sing about their life? none. its all promoted by the marketing boys upstairs. rap music started in the street, its now just plain offensive pop. no other music genre lives further from its roots.

    For those that choose to adopt that lifestyle, what does that tell us about humanity as opposed to the lifestyle itself? It must be attractive in some way, or nobody would go along with it. Whether its 'good' or 'bad', my point is that rap is only the visible arm of a deep-seated culture which many find attractive.
    so is explicit porn, but you wouldnt show it on tv.

    What does it say about people's lives if they have to listen to what some rapper says in order to find a lifestyle that suits them?
    who cares, it encourages a lifestyle that is detrimental to society, disrespectful to women and illegal.
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    (Original post by pugnacious)
    i think that the original lyrics are,

    I aint that ***** trying to holla cuz I want some head
    I’m that ***** trying to holla cuz I want some bread
    I could care less how she perform while she in the bed
    *****es that try catch a date and come and play the kid
    Look baby this is simple u cant see, u ****ing me u ****ing with a P-I-M-P

    source - www.lyrics007.com
    sounds like a nice chap..
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    (Original post by piginapoke)
    I can't think of any modern popular music genres that accurately reflect the lives of the artists.
    hardly the point though is it. east 17 were practically butchered for mentioning they took occasionally ecstacy.

    Maybe not porn but TV is full of violence. I can watch rape scenes in soaps before 8pm, people getting shot before 9pm. Don't violent movies encourage violence, copycat killings and what have you?
    violent movies are not shown at all hours, promoted on teenage tv and targeted at a youth audience. most graphic movies are shown well past the watershed. i dont know what rape scene youve seen before 8, theyre usually implied.

    Lots of different media encourage lifestyles that I don't particularly find agreeable. Are you saying we should censor anything that doesn't have a beneficial effect?
    no, censor something that is potentially harmful to the development of children and todays youth. im not naive enough to believe that goodwill can overcome the money involved in peddling the obnoxious rubbish these people 'sing' about, but there should be far more done in the media and on a political level to illustrate the distaste for some of the backward and immoral messages that this depraved culture emits.
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    Hehe, Vienna - an E17 fan?

    As regards to the discussion of the negativity that comes with "black culture", I would argue that "black culture" has now extended to "popular culture". It is a dominant force (in terms of music, fashion and so on), and any attempt to obstruct it would ultimately further it's popularity.

    Secondly, I would not think that eradicating people's means of communication and expression would solve many of the other social experiences that are promoted...
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    (Original post by piginapoke)
    Put this into perspective, do you think rap music has such a great influence over the British youth that they are turning or will turn into gun toting mysoginists in adulthood? I liked all manner of weird stuff in my youth, I know realise how stupid I must have looked. Kids grow out of this stuff, its not imprinted on them forever. I would have thought 'townieism' and random street violence was a much bigger issue than rap music in this country.
    can i ask, where do you live?
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    (Original post by aliel)
    Secondly, I would not think that eradicating people's means of communication and expression would solve many of the other social experiences that are promoted...
    can you clarify this abit more?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    can i ask, where do you live?
    The social problems in Paris, in terms of crime, can no way directly be explained by "black culture".
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    (Original post by aliel)
    The social problems in Paris, in terms of crime, can no way directly be explained by "black culture".
    oh right. i didnt think so either
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    oh right. i didnt think so either
    Gah, it's just that you asked that bloke where he lived, i assume you presumed he was a surburban guy...and so I just commented on a Paris...
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    (Original post by Eámanë)
    do you think that the increase in popularity in hip hop msuic or music in general is linked to teh rise in youth gun crime?

    i am doing a reserch paper for media studies an would be greatful if some peopel could give me there views
    theyre all linked
 
 
 
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