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    The Conservative Party (David Cameron)
    93
    31.31%
    The Labour Party (Gordon Brown)
    56
    18.86%
    The Liberal Democrat Party (Nick Clegg)
    60
    20.20%
    UK Independence Party (Nigel Farage)
    7
    2.36%
    Scottish National Party / Plaid Cymru
    7
    2.36%
    Labour OR Conservative (Undecided as yet)
    9
    3.03%
    Conservative OR Liberal Democrat (Undecided as yet)
    19
    6.40%
    Liberal Democrat OR Labour (Undecided as yet)
    18
    6.06%
    Other
    28
    9.43%

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    There's a fair point here; technically we shouldn't put the leaders up there because the idea is that you vote for your MP and on the issues, not on loyalty or on the leadership of the party. But that's what happens in a lot of cases (I do it myself!) so its not a major issue for me.
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    POLL UPDATE | 19:45 | Tory Lead steady at 17% but with Labour closing the gap | Lib Dems starting to lag behind Labour

    CONSERVATIVES - 43%

    LABOUR - 26%

    LIBERAL DEMOCRAT - 22%

    If TSR had their way, this would, as it stands, give the Tories a clear shot at government with a 112 Commons majority. Labour would fall below the 200 mark and the LDs holding onto most their seats, losing about 10.
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    Including all the nationalist parties and all the parties, its currently:

    Cons - 39.5%
    Labour - 24%
    LibDem - 20.5%

    Undecided Total = 17.4%
    Cons / other party = 8 + 17 = 25 of the 40 who are undecided
    Labour / other party = 8 + 15 = 23 [ditto]
    LibDem / other party = 17 + 15 = 32 [ditto]
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    Very telling poll on the demographic of TSR.
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    (Original post by NEVERYOUMIND)
    yeh cos the libdems want a fairer tax policy like he does. and they want to crack down on tax havens like he does. that alone puts the lib dems closer to barack obama than any other party.

    Because what Barrack Obama is doing for the economy with socialist policies is so good for the economy.

    I can never take Vince Cable seriously, and all he appears to do is take cheap shots at the government (Not that the Conservatives are any better). He calls for the nationalisation of banks, then criticises the nationalisation of Northern Rock, because of government failure.

    http://www.libdems.org.uk/policies/c...200884653;show

    Doesn't this just prove the point that government can only fail at business?
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    (Original post by Jasper.Paterson)
    Very telling poll on the demographic of TSR.

    I don't think it shows the demographic of TSR if you're trying to imply they're rahs, and therefore vote Conservative.

    Most of the people on this forum have only grown up under a Labour government and most Torys here will just be antilabour due to not experiencing anything else.
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    (Original post by PoliceStory)
    I don't think it shows the demographic of TSR if you're trying to imply they're rahs, and therefore vote Conservative.

    Most of the people on this forum have only grown up under a Labour government and most Torys here will just be antilabour due to not experiencing anything else.
    What the HELL has that got to do with any thing? No relevence what so ever.

    He's right, it IS very telling, that's why it's a poll with nearly one third of the voters used for official polling by official companies.

    On a separate point, If I were Labour i'd be petrified by this TSR poll alone, given that Labour normally do better with students.
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    (Original post by PoliceStory)
    Because what Barrack Obama is doing for the economy with socialist policies is so good for the economy.

    I can never take Vince Cable seriously, and all he appears to do is take cheap shots at the government (Not that the Conservatives are any better). He calls for the nationalisation of banks, then criticises the nationalisation of Northern Rock, because of government failure.

    http://www.libdems.org.uk/policies/c...200884653;show

    Doesn't this just prove the point that government can only fail at business?
    i have said why the lib dems have called for nationalisation earlier in this topic. he criticised the management of northern rock cos it continued to offer 125% mortgages even after being nationalised. how is his complaining a bad thing ?
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    Lib Dem or Green. Most likely lib dem though.
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    (Original post by duke5)
    What the HELL has that got to do with any thing? No relevence what so ever.

    He's right, it IS very telling, that's why it's a poll with nearly one third of the voters used for official polling by official companies.

    On a separate point, If I were Labour i'd be petrified by this TSR poll alone, given that Labour normally do better with students.
    Its telling, but it doesnt say what type of people TSR are.
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    (Original post by NEVERYOUMIND)
    i have said why the lib dems have called for nationalisation earlier in this topic. he criticised the management of northern rock cos it continued to offer 125% mortgages even after being nationalised. how is his complaining a bad thing ?

    Because the Lib dems in power would have done such a better job amirite?
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    (Original post by jacketpotato)
    I'd be interested to know why you prefer the Tories to the Lib Dems economically.

    The Lib Dems were the only party in parliament to be warning about the national debt and the risk-taking culture at the time it was actually happening, and they have someone who is a respected economist as their shadow chancellor. By contrast, the Conservatives were promising to match Labour levels of public spending until very recently, and Lib Dem economic plans are very focused on the key areas. The economy seems to me to be one area where the Lib Dems are much more convincing - do you feel perhaps that you trust Cameron and Osbourne more with taxes?
    Lib dem recruitment fail
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    Probably Tory, otherwise UKIP.
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    (Original post by PoliceStory)
    I don't think it shows the demographic of TSR if you're trying to imply they're rahs, and therefore vote Conservative.

    Most of the people on this forum have only grown up under a Labour government and most Torys here will just be antilabour due to not experiencing anything else.
    My experience of TSR generally would point to those percentages, overall.

    Besides it would be a little unfair to assume they overlook the Conservative's antecedents '79-'90.

    P.S. I don't want to turn this into a debate

    Ace taste in music by the way.
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    ooo. the lib dems have closed the gap on labour now but the Conservatives have stuck solidly on around 39%. out of the undecided, the LibDems are ahead so perhaps with afew of the undecided votes, they'd put labour into 3rd place! i'd love that. cos even tho i do think vince cable would do the best job with the economy, i also appreciate the fact that whoever wins the next general election inherits a poisoned chalice and will have to make some really hard and unpopular choices. so if the cons become unpopular by the general election after next (2015), and we still have vince cable, i reckon the LibDems may be able to form a government. But it is dependant on us LDs coming 2nd this time round.
    Con = 85/215 = 39.5%
    Labour = 49/215 = 22.8%
    LibDem = 47/215 = 21.9%
    All other parties = 34/215 = 15.8%
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    Liberal Democrats, myself =)
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    POLL UPDATE*

    Conservatives - 42%

    Labour - 24%

    Lib Dem - 24%

    Tories 6% shy of having a combined advantage over both Lab and Lib Dem, but as it stands, the Conservatives are a dreamy 18% ahead. This would be a historic landslide never seen in British politics. Given that this is on a student forum, one fears for Labour nationally.

    *Figures collated using definite party voted for and 'other', not 'x OR y' options.
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    (Original post by NEVERYOUMIND)
    ooo. the lib dems have closed the gap on labour now but the Conservatives have stuck solidly on around 39%. out of the undecided, the LibDems are ahead so perhaps with afew of the undecided votes, they'd put labour into 3rd place! i'd love that. cos even tho i do think vince cable would do the best job with the economy, i also appreciate the fact that whoever wins the next general election inherits a poisoned chalice and will have to make some really hard and unpopular choices. so if the cons become unpopular by the general election after next (2015), and we still have vince cable, i reckon the LibDems may be able to form a government. But it is dependant on us LDs coming 2nd this time round.
    Con = 85/215 = 39.5%
    Labour = 49/215 = 22.8%
    LibDem = 47/215 = 21.9%
    All other parties = 34/215 = 15.8%
    Your calculation is sound, but I prefer to measure the distance between the main parties, from those who have definitely voted for them, and the differences between them to get a realistic view of the potential outcome.

    As for the LDs, they will never form a government and they know that. The British electoral system does not support third parties, that is why they want PR and not FPTP, not over principle, but because they want more seats. As for them forming a government because of the kudos of one individual Treasury spokesman, sorry you're deluded on that one.

    The LD at the next election will be fighting for their existance, Labour will be fighting for a position to which they can rebound for the following election (2014), they want to lose as best as possible. The LDs, relying mainly on wealthy south westerly votes will continue to offer tax cuts to seal the deal with wealthy voters, otherwise they're history and the two party arrangement returns.
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    (Original post by duke5)
    Your calculation is sound, but I prefer to measure the distance between the main parties, from those who have definitely voted for them, and the differences between them to get a realistic view of the potential outcome.

    As for the LDs, they will never form a government and they know that. The British electoral system does not support third parties, that is why they want PR and not FPTP, not over principle, but because they want more seats. As for them forming a government because of the kudos of one individual Treasury spokesman, sorry you're deluded on that one.

    The LD at the next election will be fighting for their existance, Labour will be fighting for a position to which they can rebound for the following election (2014), they want to lose as best as possible. The LDs, relying mainly on wealthy south westerly votes will continue to offer tax cuts to seal the deal with wealthy voters, otherwise they're history and the two party arrangement returns.
    The LDs support PR rather than FPTP cos they see how unfair the FPTP system is. in 1983, the LibDems/SDP got 25% of the votes but something like 1% of the seats. that is clearly unfair and clearly does not represent how ppl voted. PR is far more democratic but i actually dont see how it could work effectively. each constituency needs someone who they can hold accountable. thinking about it though why not keep the FPTP house of Commons and have get rid of the house of lords and replace it with a PR-elected second chamber?

    Vince Cable is not just a treasury spokesman . he is the shadow chancellor and he is more popular than the darling or osborne, as shown by a ComRes poll which showed ppl would rather he was chancellor than anyone else right now. He would not be so significant if the economy was such a big issue but it is and, unlike anyone from labour or the conservatives, he preidcted everything whihc is happening right now. People see that he is much more economicaly competent than darling and osborne, and i think ppl see that he is very decent morally too.

    And the tax cuts the Liberal Democrats are offering are NOT for the wealthy - they're for working and middle class people. I have said that so many times but somehow you have interpreted that as the wealthy. lol. I think that as the general election nears they will provide the details of what they'll do and ,to some extent, the tides will turn.

    When the conservatives lost in 1997, they didnt just rebound. its taken them 11-12 years to rebound so i dont know why you think labour will rebound for the next general election? when Labour lost to the Conservatives under maggie thatcher, it took them 17 years to return to power. wounds take time to heal. The LibDems may one day form a government. I am sure that people must have said that Labour would never form a government back in 1900 but they did and it this can also be true of the LibDems. However, cos they have lacked ideology until in recent years, i would not be suprised if it took another 50 years before they had enough supporters to win. The majority of people (55-60% of ppl) in this country are not politically happy with the 2-party FPTP system we have cos, if they were, there'd be much higher turnout rates. And i reckon the vast majority of those 55-60% are working and middle class people. If they knew that the LibDems wanted to tax them less and that the most economically competent shadow chancellor was LibDem, many of them would go out and vote (for perhaps the first time) and vote LibDem. With this support from the majority of the country who don't vote, the LibDems would do far far better. If 80% of the country voted and the LibDems still only had 22%, then i'd agree they were a lost cause. But that is not how it is so i do not see how they can be written off.
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    (Original post by NEVERYOUMIND)
    The LDs support PR rather than FPTP cos they see how unfair the FPTP system is. in 1983, the LibDems/SDP got 25% of the votes but something like 1% of the seats. that is clearly unfair and clearly does not represent how ppl voted.
    The Tories won 32% of the vote and Labour won by 36% of the vote in 2005, they formed a massive government with the Tories well behind. Such is the political system we have enjoyed for centuries. It's all about swings.

    Vince Cable is not just a treasury spokesman . he is the shadow chancellor and he is more popular than the darling or osborne, as shown by a ComRes poll which showed ppl would rather he was chancellor than anyone else right now.
    No, he is the Treasury spokesman for the Liberal Democrat Party in the House of Commons (NOT Her Majesty's official opposition), and Lib Dems have recently tried to call themselves 'shadow ministers' to get people like you to believe they really do have a position in this world. George Osborne MP holds the post of Shadow Chancellor. No one outside Lib Dem HQ refer to any frontbench spokesman for that party as 'shadow', not even some of their own, having renamed government departments and all sorts.

    As for his popularity, well it's an envious position, say what you like, come up with no solid, man-in-the-street digestable policies and be hailed as a hero. Everyone made predictions about the economy apart from Labour. Cable's glory stems from the surprise he brought to a party that was losing its mind, he managed to be 'average' when he was expected to be utterly incompetent and woefully substandard for the interim post forced upon him.

    He isn't taken seriously, in reality, and nor are the Lib Dems, otherwise their message would have hit home by now and 17% ahead in the polls during the greatest recession of our time proves this. Give me 25-28% and I'll believe that they MIGHT just be in a position to cause Labour headaches as they vye for the Opposition. Unlikely.

    And the tax cuts the Liberal Democrats are offering are NOT for the wealthy - they're for working and middle class people. I have said that so many times but somehow you have interpreted that as the wealthy. lol.
    I have never read a single post of yours other than the one's I have responded to, so I have interpreted nothing of your 'many times' comments on LD taxation. The taxation was a gimmick to boost their pathetic poll rating during their annual media chance, conference, and guess what, it worked. For about a month.

    The Lib Dems are a HIGH taxing party, they always have been and it is in that is the basis of all their principles on social justice, etc etc. No one actually believes a) they are the party of low taxation and b) they think they are themselves.
 
 
 
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