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    (Original post by Aspiringlawyer20)
    So I had the Macfarlanes AC a few days ago.

    It was a really great day, which it makes it even more annoying that I wasn't successful. It was the 1st AC they were doing and there were about 20 people there I think. There was a mixture of undergraduates and recent graduates. Interestingly, the majority of people there were non-law undergraduates/graduates including (like myself) lots of language students.

    The structure of the day was as follows:

    introductions --> we had to introduce the person next to ourselves which was a fun way to get to know everyone better. It included mentioning your "claim to fame".

    group exercises --> we were then separated off in to groups of 5 and there were two different exercises. I can't actually remember the first one but the second one was a mock negotiation. The negotiation was really fun, it was tricky to make sure you came across as standing your ground against the other side, yet open to negotiate in order to finish the task in the allotted time.

    written exercise --> the written exercise involved drafting a letter to a client. I imagine it will be different for anyone else doing it but the important thing to remember was that 30 minutes goes so quickly so the importance of time management could not be stressed enough!

    lunch & work shadowing --> had a nice chance to ask some questions to one of the partners over lunch and also have a kind of "informal" interview. We were then assigned to a trainee at the firm and given a short overview of what they were doing and what their experiences of a trainee was like. They're all so friendly but remember you're being assessed at all times!

    interview --> the partner interview was split in to two halves. In the first half we were given a hypothetical problem that a trainee may be faced with. The partner didn't expect us to know what the answer was, he/she just wanted to see our thought process/how we would go about solving the issue. The second half was a general interview about personal motivations. Why law/commercial law etc. It was very short and it was tricky to get across everything I wanted to without rambling on too much! But we had a good chat and I came away feeling positive.

    I'm having a feedback call on tuesday so it will be interesting to see what I can improve on! But yeah, it was a really great day so for anyone having one in the next few days, good luck! Macfarlanes is the only firm that I have gone through this process for so i'm gutted I haven't got on to their vacation scheme! There's always next year.
    Unlucky mate - congrats on the AC though!
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    (Original post by Aspiringlawyer20)
    So I had the Macfarlanes AC a few days ago.

    It was a really great day, which it makes it even more annoying that I wasn't successful. It was the 1st AC they were doing and there were about 20 people there I think. There was a mixture of undergraduates and recent graduates. Interestingly, the majority of people there were non-law undergraduates/graduates including (like myself) lots of language students.

    The structure of the day was as follows:

    introductions --> we had to introduce the person next to ourselves which was a fun way to get to know everyone better. It included mentioning your "claim to fame".

    group exercises --> we were then separated off in to groups of 5 and there were two different exercises. I can't actually remember the first one but the second one was a mock negotiation. The negotiation was really fun, it was tricky to make sure you came across as standing your ground against the other side, yet open to negotiate in order to finish the task in the allotted time.

    written exercise --> the written exercise involved drafting a letter to a client. I imagine it will be different for anyone else doing it but the important thing to remember was that 30 minutes goes so quickly so the importance of time management could not be stressed enough!

    lunch & work shadowing --> had a nice chance to ask some questions to one of the partners over lunch and also have a kind of "informal" interview. We were then assigned to a trainee at the firm and given a short overview of what they were doing and what their experiences of a trainee was like. They're all so friendly but remember you're being assessed at all times!

    interview --> the partner interview was split in to two halves. In the first half we were given a hypothetical problem that a trainee may be faced with. The partner didn't expect us to know what the answer was, he/she just wanted to see our thought process/how we would go about solving the issue. The second half was a general interview about personal motivations. Why law/commercial law etc. It was very short and it was tricky to get across everything I wanted to without rambling on too much! But we had a good chat and I came away feeling positive.

    I'm having a feedback call on tuesday so it will be interesting to see what I can improve on! But yeah, it was a really great day so for anyone having one in the next few days, good luck! Macfarlanes is the only firm that I have gone through this process for so i'm gutted I haven't got on to their vacation scheme! There's always next year.
    Sorry to hear you were unsuccessful mate! Seems they get back to you very quickly after these things... did they test your commercial awareness at all?

    And look on the bright side - at Macfarlanes it's not just an AC but also kinda like an open day, what with the afternoon shadowing - there's some experience for your next round of apps
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    There were no direct questions asking you about commercial awareness but with all the exercises there was an assumption that you knew a fair bit.
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    (Original post by DonnieCA)
    Do you mind me asking when you submitted your Mishcon application and when you got a response?
    Thanks
    I applied in October and heard yesterday....
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    (Original post by Aspiringlawyer20)
    There were no direct questions asking you about commercial awareness but with all the exercises there was an assumption that you knew a fair bit.
    Congratulations on getting the AC at least - and like someone said, good practice for next time! I have the AC in a couple of weeks and I was quite surprised there was work shadowing involved, but nice that they make an effort for you to see what it's like.
    Was there a reason you didn't apply anywhere else?
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    My Macfarlanes AC is on Tuesday D: I want to start preparing some examples for any competency questions I get in the interview, but I've got to do my Tort Coursework this weekend ¬.¬
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    (Original post by ChoccyWoccy)
    Congratulations on getting the AC at least - and like someone said, good practice for next time! I have the AC in a couple of weeks and I was quite surprised there was work shadowing involved, but nice that they make an effort for you to see what it's like.
    Was there a reason you didn't apply anywhere else?
    Good luck! Yes the work shadowing was great, the trainees share an office with a partner and both were very friendly and interesting.

    Well I applied to Macfarlanes because it really stood out to me. I took a long time over the application and unfortunately it meant that I didn't really have time to do any others! I'm living and studying in France at the moment and I had 14 exams during November/December so I couldn't really justify spending a week on each application when I had to revise. Luckily, I've got a vacation scheme with Couchmans (boutique sports law firm) in July but that was due to a speculative email rather than an official application process.

    I'm currently looking for firms that do not recruit on a rolling basis for their VS as I suspect that's my only chance at this stage.
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    (Original post by Aspiringlawyer20)
    Good luck! Yes the work shadowing was great, the trainees share an office with a partner and both were very friendly and interesting.

    Well I applied to Macfarlanes because it really stood out to me. I took a long time over the application and unfortunately it meant that I didn't really have time to do any others! I'm living and studying in France at the moment and I had 14 exams during November/December so I couldn't really justify spending a week on each application when I had to revise. Luckily, I've got a vacation scheme with Couchmans (boutique sports law firm) in July but that was due to a speculative email rather than an official application process.

    I'm currently looking for firms that do not recruit on a rolling basis for their VS as I suspect that's my only chance at this stage.
    I understand that there are several firms that review applications after the deadline: DLA Piper, Covington & Burling, Nabarro and Sullivan and Cromwell.
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    (Original post by Aspiringlawyer20)
    I'm currently looking for firms that do not recruit on a rolling basis for their VS as I suspect that's my only chance at this stage.
    Try Nabarro (closes 15th Jan) and DLA Piper (closes 31st Jan) ? Both non-rolling.
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    Thanks very much both of you!
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    No worries, thanks to you too for your report of the Macfarlanes day! :P I will also report back after mine!
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    I'm so nervous about interviews :woo:
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    (Original post by ChoccyWoccy)
    I'm so nervous about interviews :woo:
    Me too, absolutely terrified! Have my first one next week and literally do not know what to expect.


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    (Original post by Defragmentation)
    Me too, absolutely terrified! Have my first one next week and literally do not know what to expect.


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    Me too!
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    The main thing about interviews is trying to not let your nerves get the better of you.

    Remember that they have seen something in your application to date that makes them think you could be good. The interviewers want you to do well as much as you do, and they are just hoping you live up to (or are better) than the person on paper.

    In this day and age, where a lot of people go wrong, is that they actually over prepare their answers. It's like they have a set script to take their answers from and when they are asked a question that doesn't quite fit that script, they struggle.

    Remember an interview is a conversation and very few conversations in life you can anticipate what you or the other person will say. A lot of it is thinking on your feet and trying to come up with well structured and concise answers to what's been asked at the time.

    However, you can prepare. But that preparation is actually pretty straight forward:

    1) if you got 100 offers, why would you choose this firm over the others?

    2) why are you going to be happy in such a stressful and challenging career both on a day-to-day basis and also in the long term? And do you really know what your letting yourself in for and if you do, what's going to keep you happy, motivated and focus when the job is dull/boring/repetitive/frustrating?

    3) showing you have the basic qualities to succeed in the job. This isn't actually knowledge, it's more the want to have that knowledge. Added to this you need:

    Team working skills
    Analytical skills/good judgement
    Your own self motivation and drive
    Organisational skills
    Thoroughness/high standards
    The ability to be a person that 95% of people would enjoy sharing a small office with for 12 hours a day for six months

    This will cover 90% of what 90% of law firms are looking for. There will be some quirks, but firms are pretty good at demonstrating those quirks in their marketing materials. Read between the lines of their marketing and analyse the type of person you have met from the firm. You are then often able to pick up those "quirks" and add them to your preparation.

    Hope that helps!!




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    I just printed what you said off because I thought it was so helpful, thanks!!
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    (Original post by J-SP)
    The main thing about interviews is trying to not let your nerves get the better of you.

    Remember that they have seen something in your application to date that makes them think you could be good. The interviewers want you to do well as much as you do, and they are just hoping you live up to (or are better) than the person on paper.

    In this day and age, where a lot of people go wrong, is that they actually over prepare their answers. It's like they have a set script to take their answers from and when they are asked a question that doesn't quite fit that script, they struggle.

    Remember an interview is a conversation and very few conversations in life you can anticipate what you or the other person will say. A lot of it is thinking on your feet and trying to come up with well structured and concise answers to what's been asked at the time.

    However, you can prepare. But that preparation is actually pretty straight forward:

    1) if you got 100 offers, why would you choose this firm over the others?

    2) why are you going to be happy in such a stressful and challenging career both on a day-to-day basis and also in the long term? And do you really know what your letting yourself in for and if you do, what's going to keep you happy, motivated and focus when the job is dull/boring/repetitive/frustrating?

    3) showing you have the basic qualities to succeed in the job. This isn't actually knowledge, it's more the want to have that knowledge. Added to this you need:

    Team working skills
    Analytical skills/good judgement
    Your own self motivation and drive
    Organisational skills
    Thoroughness/high standards
    The ability to be a person that 95% of people would enjoy sharing a small office with for 12 hours a day for six months

    This will cover 90% of what 90% of law firms are looking for. There will be some quirks, but firms are pretty good at demonstrating those quirks in their marketing materials. Read between the lines of their marketing and analyse the type of person you have met from the firm. You are then often able to pick up those "quirks" and add them to your preparation.

    Hope that helps!!

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    Thank you very much!
    I've not done much preparation for the reasons you've mentioned, but it does make me worry that I might be caught off-guard with a question I stumble over.
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    (Original post by ChoccyWoccy)
    Thank you very much!
    I've not done much preparation for the reasons you've mentioned, but it does make me worry that I might be caught off-guard with a question I stumble over.
    I've lost count I have had people be unable to answer a question. It isn't necessarily a deal breaker.

    If your struggling to think there and then, ask for some time to think about that. You can do the trick of "that's a good/tough question, can I pause to think about that for a moment" type response.

    As long as you are not sat there in silence for too long (ie over 30 seconds), it will give you time to think.

    There is nothing wrong with doing that, in fact most interviewers will be impressed by your common sense to think about it before rushing in and spouting incoherent ramblings.


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    "Please give details of any qualifications or skills that may be relevant to your application"

    This was under "Education" on the application form, my question is, does the question refer to University or skills that I have gained in general, i.e. through various jobs. I think 250 words for skills gained as part of education is a bit to much, as surely everyone at uni would have gained the same skills or very similar skills...

    Thanks!
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    (Original post by Yazooo)
    Has anyone actually had the telephone interview for Irwin Mitchell??
    Hey,

    I sent my application off on 6th December and haven't heard anything back as of yet. I applied for the Personal Stream: Manchester was my first choice.

    Have you heard back yet? And which stream/office did you apply to?

 
 
 
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