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    Linux/Ubuntu, anyone?
    Wooh I'm using Ubuntu now!

    (Original post by anyone_can_fly)
    I got inspired by the offer-holders' thread (which I wasn't stalking :ninja:) to make a google doc spreadsheet of applicants. This way people can easily see who else wants to do their subject, and Reminisce doesn't have to keep updating the first post: people can just add themselves to the list.

    I simplified some peoples results (e.g. someone who had done a mixture of IGCSEs and GCSEs - I combined them), so that I didn't take up a paragraph each time. If what I did was wrong, and it may well be, just change it. Sorry if I missed you out - please add yourself!

    Here it is!
    Awesome work! I added "autofilter" to the top row, which means that when people are looking at it they can easily sort by subject/college/username or view only people doing a certain subject/college. And when it comes round to offer time we'll be able to filter by whose got an offer and who hasn't, etc. (Although obviously all of us are going to get in.)
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    (Original post by Brand New Eyes)
    Never heard of winAmp. just googled and I hate the layout, I know that's not people's number 1 priority for me but it is for me... WHY IS IT BLACK. typical windows not caring how it looks.

    I shall be an apple follower forever and there aint nothing that's gona change that

    so itunes > every other media player (except maybe spotify but that's not specified towards an OS)
    You change it to any colour you want, and it isn't made by windows

    Itunes is silly for how often it messes up my ipod
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    (Original post by Brand New Eyes)
    Yep on both counts, although the whole fees fiasco wasn't actually publicised very well, the Browne Report (which basically said fees needed to be raised) didn't come out till October, after the Oxbridge deadline and I remember some of the year 13s scrambling to make their application in time. So I don't think it played such a huge factor, also as gap year-ers are quite rare and mostly in private schools, who can afford to pay higher rates anyway.

    Well it's all kinda like inflation, more applicants every year as more and more get AAA. So I think the number of applications will drop this year compared to last, mostly due to fees and I think there will be an influx of UK students migrating to Wales + Scotland = EU where fees are going to be lower. And ofcourse a slight edge taken off by the would have been gap year students. I wonder how many firm defered entries Ox made this year compared to last. Hmm... to google!
    Are you sure that there will be less applicants for 2012 entry? I mean don't get me wrong, it would be awesome but I think the students who really want to go to oxford will go to oxford despite the rise in fees. I could also stay in Germany and go to a good university and pay only 1600€ a year but I really want to go to oxford even though I will have to pay 9000 pounds a year...

    But hopefully you're right, I think we all could need less competition
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    (Original post by dnumberwang)
    You change it to any colour you want, and it isn't made by windows

    Itunes is silly for how often it messes up my ipod
    I concur. Itunes has deleted all the music off my ipod so many times i've lost count and about a month ago it decided to try to rewrtie all the file types and corrupted them all so i had to buy a new ipod
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    (Original post by nightmare91)
    Are you sure that there will be less applicants for 2012 entry? I mean don't get me wrong, it would be awesome but I think the students who really want to go to oxford will go to oxford despite the rise in fees. I could also stay in Germany and go to a good university and pay only 1600€ a year but I really want to go to oxford even though I will have to pay 9000 pounds a year...

    But hopefully you're right, I think we all could need less competition
    That's what I was thinking, too. I could well imagine that it's true though, because it does make a big difference to start your career with a debt burden of 10000 pounds as opposed to 27000 (or 36000 if it's a four year course). So I figure that students from a lower-income family might not want to take that on them. Which would also make what was mentioned before more probable. That more people are going to apply to Scottish unis. But I could be completely off here, of course. All speculations (and hoping it's true... because even though I would (will? hopefully) have to take out a student loan too...
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    Did i mention the proposed 3% ABOVE inflation interest rate. Inflation atm is 4% so 7% on 9000

    £9630 = first year
    £19934.10 = Cumulative 2nd year
    £30955.95 = Total debt

    But ofcourse inflation rate could change and the plans aren't finalised.

    Scottish and Welsh students can go to their native unis for free, so I suspect that many would opt for that option, Glasgow and Edinburgh are top institutions
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    That is a whole lot of money... Does anyone know how exactly paying back works? Because I understand you don't start paying off your loan until you earn more than 21000, but how much do you have to pay? I never found that piece of information on their website... Maybe I'm just not smart enough, but then I should really reconsider applying to Oxford.
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    For potential UK applicants reading this thread and thinking about fees, don't forget the Oxford Opportunity Bursary. I think a few international students might be eligible but I'm afraid it is mostly for UK undergrads.

    EDIT: as pointed out below the OOB is being replaced by a new bursary system from 2012: see bottom of the page linked above.

    Specific Colleges also have hardship funds and so on, although obviously this is less reliable.
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    (Original post by MeeMee)
    That is a whole lot of money... Does anyone know how exactly paying back works? Because I understand you don't start paying off your loan until you earn more than 21000, but how much do you have to pay? I never found that piece of information on their website... Maybe I'm just not smart enough, but then I should really reconsider applying to Oxford.
    The repayment will depend on how much you are earning. It comes straight out of your monthly wages like income tax and is progressive, meaning the more you earn, the higher the monthly repayments will be.
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    (Original post by MeeMee)
    That is a whole lot of money... Does anyone know how exactly paying back works? Because I understand you don't start paying off your loan until you earn more than 21000, but how much do you have to pay? I never found that piece of information on their website... Maybe I'm just not smart enough, but then I should really reconsider applying to Oxford.
    Details aren't really finalised yet, we're unlucky as we are the year that has had information scattered on the time scale. It's all been abit of a last minute scramble I think.

    On repayments, you pay a flat rate of 9% above £21000

    So say you earn £31,000 once you graduate (unlikely but)

    Then you pay £900 a year back, which is about £75 a month. Seems alot but you have to pay it all back somehow... within time

    source: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Educatio...ance/DG_194804

    Edit: ALSO forgot to mention that interest is also charged while you work, ontop of the interest accumulated from the years of the degree.
    Interest is again, also at 3% above inflation IF you earn more than 21,000

    Anyone know if there's an option to pay more back earlier to avoid interest? I heard that they were going to stop that from happening...?
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    (Original post by fluteflute)
    Wooh I'm using Ubuntu now!



    Awesome work! I added "autofilter" to the top row, which means that when people are looking at it they can easily sort by subject/college/username or view only people doing a certain subject/college. And when it comes round to offer time we'll be able to filter by whose got an offer and who hasn't, etc. (Although obviously all of us are going to get in.)
    That's great, thanks
    (Original post by Brand New Eyes)
    Details aren't really finalised yet, we're unlucky as we are the year that has had information scattered on the time scale. It's all been abit of a last minute scramble I think.

    On repayments, you pay a flat rate of 9% above £21000

    So say you earn £31,000 once you graduate (unlikely but)

    Then you pay £900 a year back, which is about £75 a month. Seems alot but you have to pay it all back somehow... within time

    source: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/EducationAndLearning/UniversityAndHigherEducation/StudentFinance/DG_194804

    Edit: ALSO forgot to mention that interest is also charged while you work, ontop of the interest accumulated from the years of the degree.
    Interest is again, also at 3% above inflation IF you earn more than 21,000

    Anyone know if there's an option to pay more back earlier to avoid interest? I heard that they were going to stop that from happening...?
    I've heard that you can pay back more earlier. But I think it's possible (and I'm desperately hoping it will happen) that they'll have to give up on £9000 fees for our year, because it's just turned into such a mess. Even by their original plans - an average fee of £7500 - the government would still need to pay more than they currently do due to all the debt. With everyone going for £9000, it's actually unviable. They keep thinking up new hare-brained schemes (like here) and I don't think they've got a clue what they're doing.
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    (Original post by Brand New Eyes)
    Didn't quite catch onto that now everything makes alot more sense!
    And it says "may" be available... very informative

    True, not maybe other places that'd do all 3 I think. There's always the option to do languages whatever your course outside of your degree. Means extra fees + your own time though, but at Warwick you can intergrate language mods into your degree

    Ah I see. Yeah in almost every country there's that top 1/2/3 unis everyone aims for, just outta interest, how much snow is there every year? as in days

    If you're looking for change we get 4 days (at most) down south, dno bout in Scotland though.

    "$100,000 per night for hospital!? I'd be 10 times cheaper for me to buy 2 british airways tickets, hop onto the plane, and wait for my turn in A&E". The NHS only just recently started charging internationals for treatments officially, although I don't think it's enforced very strictly good to know if you're run over you wont bankrupt your family.

    Are you pro-socialist then? I think you'll find plenty of left wingers just about...everywhere wooo

    Haha yep reminds of someone's facebook status, everyones thinking it but they dont wanna say it. I'm glad there's less competition, but not happy bout paying an extra £5500. International Students still pay the same amount as they did before though, lucky.

    Aha, no idea really! I think and don't judge me. Whichever's nearest to shops/tesco (supermarket)/centre and is pretty with lots of green lawns + accomadation costs. I like food. You? *looks into my brain book for renowned psychology colleges...it seems to be blank, oh dear*
    How much snow? Well, we don't often get heavy snow in Ontario, though what we consider heavy snow, Quebec considers 'everyday'. So... maybe once or twice a week, just enough to cover some of the grass. Then every now and again we get about a foot of it, and everyone goes crazy. One of the mayors of Toronto was infamously remembered for calling in the army when there was a forecast for heavy snow... Of course there ended up being snow, but not as much as everyone feared, and he was a bit of a laughingstock for the day... :P 4 days is enough for me, I guess.

    With regards to accommodation, at one point I made a detailed list (with pictures) of information for every college available for Psychology... just to get an idea. Prior to that my two choices were Jesus or St. John's... now added to the list is Worcester and Brasenose. ^^ Christ Church looks so lovely though <3 I'm leaning towards St. John's because they're well funded, meaning good and inexpensive accommodation/food. Have to wait until August when I make my visits to finalize my decision though.

    (Original post by nightmare91)
    Are you sure that there will be less applicants for 2012 entry? I mean don't get me wrong, it would be awesome but I think the students who really want to go to oxford will go to oxford despite the rise in fees. I could also stay in Germany and go to a good university and pay only 1600€ a year but I really want to go to oxford even though I will have to pay 9000 pounds a year...

    But hopefully you're right, I think we all could need less competition
    Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.
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    (Original post by anyone_can_fly)
    I've heard that you can pay back more earlier. But I think it's possible (and I'm desperately hoping it will happen) that they'll have to give up on £9000 fees for our year, because it's just turned into such a mess. Even by their original plans - an average fee of £7500 - the government would still need to pay more than they currently do due to all the debt. With everyone going for £9000, it's actually unviable. They keep thinking up new hare-brained schemes (like here) and I don't think they've got a clue what they're doing.
    Highly doubt it, there's a reason they rushed it (so that they could get high fees in place for 2012 entry). If not, the government stands to foot a bill of £2-3 billion extra for three years. That's 9 billion and about 5% of the deficit.

    And actually the government isn't paying more, just like fees aren't realistically going up, the subsidy has just been drastically reduced. The average degree costs £16,000 I think. Whereas before the government would give unis grants etc and swallow the costs with the £3000 from students. Now they've just withdrawn the grants, so realistically they are paying out the same amount for higher education. You just don't realise.

    The only difference between this system is that students from 2012 entry onwards have to pay more back of the costs of uni, just a shift in the debt burden really.
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    (Original post by Festina lente)
    For potential UK applicants reading this thread and thinking about fees, don't forget the Oxford Opportunity Bursary. I think a few international students might be eligible but I'm afraid it is mostly for UK undergrads.
    Listen to Festina folks, the Opportunity Bursary is generous and doesn't tend to get factored in when people assume that Oxford is an expensive place to study. For this and several other reasons, you may well graduate from Oxford with a lot less debt than you would elsewhere. :yes:
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    (Original post by nightmare91)
    Are you sure that there will be less applicants for 2012 entry? I mean don't get me wrong, it would be awesome but I think the students who really want to go to oxford will go to oxford despite the rise in fees. I could also stay in Germany and go to a good university and pay only 1600€ a year but I really want to go to oxford even though I will have to pay 9000 pounds a year...

    But hopefully you're right, I think we all could need less competition
    Let me just look into my crystal ball.
    Is there anything in life that is certain. I am sure that there will be less applicants than there would have been had the fees not risen. I'll give you an example, at my school many of the year 13's who would have re-applied (as they didn't get in to oxford) chose not to, they chose to go to other universities rather than risk paying higher fees, not getting a place and wasting a year. I'm sure this is the case all over the country.

    Also, the number of deferred entries will most likely have dropped this year.

    As to whether there will be more applications for 2012 cycle than 2011 (12,333) only time will tell.
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    (Original post by Festina lente)
    For potential UK applicants reading this thread and thinking about fees, don't forget the Oxford Opportunity Bursary. I think a few international students might be eligible but I'm afraid it is mostly for UK undergrads.

    (Original post by shoshin)
    Listen to Festina folks, the Opportunity Bursary is generous and doesn't tend to get factored in when people assume that Oxford is an expensive place to study. For this and several other reasons, you may well graduate from Oxford with a lot less debt than you would elsewhere. :yes:
    "2012 Funding
    Students commencing their studies after October 2011 will be eligible for the new system of student support, which will not include the Oxford Opportunity Bursary. The University has submitted an access agreement to the Office of Fair Access (OFFA) in which it has set out its plans for funding and access to Oxford for 2012 and beyond. Please visit www.ox.ac.uk/fundingupdate for more details of the funding package."

    "English Students from a household income of less than £42,600 will receive a bursary."

    i'm too rich
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    (Original post by anyone_can_fly)
    I've heard that you can pay back more earlier. But I think it's possible (and I'm desperately hoping it will happen) that they'll have to give up on £9000 fees for our year, because it's just turned into such a mess.
    Apparently, if you take a loan and pay back too much (say, if you get a windfall which you use to pay back more than your salary would suggest), you get charged a penalty, although those able to pay upfront won't have to pay a penalty, probably as they're helping to reduce the amount the government has to borrow to afford all of these loans (they'll have to be making upfront payments of £9000 a year to universities for lots of students, with long-term repayment plans - not exactly a brilliant way of lowering the deficit or the country's debt)

    Edit: Especially not with the sheer amount of trust that the coalition has lost over the issue
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    (Original post by such_a_lady)
    ..There is definitely a strange neg-stalker about..
    I did think that this was a myth, like the yeti or something. But I've just been negged for the following post from three months ago, right at the start of this thread

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...47&postcount=3

    ..which I had previously considered to be an, um, uncontroversial statement :dontknow:

    :doh:I'm going to get negged for this now :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by shoshin)
    I did think that this was a myth, like the yeti or something. But I've just been negged for the following post from three months ago, right at the start of this thread

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...47&postcount=3

    ..which I had previously considered to be an, um, uncontroversial statement :dontknow:

    :doh:I'm going to get negged for this now :rolleyes:
    Having used the site on an iPad I think there is some truth in the theory that it's just rather easy because of the site layout to neg someone on a touchscreen purely by accident - hopefully I haven't yet! - so it's possibly a mistake. After all, a lot of people must have scrolled down the first page!
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    (Original post by Brand New Eyes)
    Highly doubt it, there's a reason they rushed it (so that they could get high fees in place for 2012 entry). If not, the government stands to foot a bill of £2-3 billion extra for three years. That's 9 billion and about 5% of the deficit.

    And actually the government isn't paying more, just like fees aren't realistically going up, the subsidy has just been drastically reduced. The average degree costs £16,000 I think. Whereas before the government would give unis grants etc and swallow the costs with the £3000 from students. Now they've just withdrawn the grants, so realistically they are paying out the same amount for higher education. You just don't realise.

    The only difference between this system is that students from 2012 entry onwards have to pay more back of the costs of uni, just a shift in the debt burden really.
    No, there's no real difference in costs.

    We seem destined to get into silly arguments! Please don't take it too seriously.
 
 
 
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