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    (Original post by Steliata)
    Sureeeee, let's start charging for 'wasted' GP visits... who exactly would decide what is a wasted visit and what is not? What is your definition of a wasted visit?
    No shows?
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    (Original post by Quady)
    No shows?
    Surely a no show can't be a "wasted visit"
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Surely a no show can't be a "wasted visit"
    Seems pretty wasted to me...
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    (Original post by Quady)
    Seems pretty wasted to me...
    I think what Stiliata was getting at was the terminology.

    A wasted visit could be taken to mean that a person is charged even if they attend an appointment, but it is deemed that them seeing a doctor was not necessary in the first place.
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    I think what Steliata was getting at was the terminology.

    A wasted visit could be taken to mean that a person is charged even if they attend an appointment, but it is deemed that them seeing a doctor was not necessary in the first place.
    Yes, that was what I meant. For example if a person seeks a mental health diagnosis but is turned away or refused diagnosis.
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    Not a fan of their policies and the main goal of the party. But I find Farage very entertaining.
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    (Original post by Steliata)
    Yes, that was what I meant. For example if a person seeks a mental health diagnosis but is turned away or refused diagnosis.
    My private dentist charges for missed appointments. Why can't my GP??

    BECAUSE ALL NHS TREATMENT IS FREE AT THE POINT OF DELIVERY.

    It is holy writ, religious dogma, any attempt to tamper with it is "privatising" and the "thin end of the wedge" ya de ya.

    Ridiculous.
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    Fair enough you are entitled to your views, however..

    You said that Nigel Fararge called a fellow MP
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    Funny because ukip is one of the big 3 now
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    (Original post by Steliata)
    I dislike UKIP for numerous reasons:
    • I don't trust an idiot like Nigel Farage to lead the country. His statements during the recent debates made him out as a fool.
    • The continuous scapegoating of immigrants that the party engages in for issues that are seemingly unrelated. Restricting immigration is not the answer to all the ills of society, and their rhetoric about it is boring and panders to popular opinion rather than logic and compassion.
    • The contradiction of their anti-immigration policy and their anti-foreign aid policy - if you want to reduce immigration it is prudent to offer countries aid in order to raise standards of living there and reduce the need for migration. And vice versa - a lower amount of foreign aid will probably result in more immigration.
    • The way their party seems to hate anybody that is not a straight white male. See almost every public statement they have made since they came into the lens of the media.
    • The way the 'typical UKIP voter' behaves, thinking they are superior to everyone else and continuously making sweeping judgements about anyone who is not them. I don't think that kind of attitude will lead to any form of political progress.

    So there is my opinion.
    This country is run on finite resources. The NHS, social housing, fire services, benefits, police, care services, transport infrastructure, energy industry etc are run to support a set number of people. The more people=the larger the service needs to be=the more money has to be spent. No one is suggesting immigrants are the cause of all problems undoubtedly they have been run inefficently by short-sighted governments but to put additional stress on already failing services is even more stupid. We should not be giving away houses to immigrants while they're are British citizens sleeping in the street.

    The majority of UKIP supporters I have met do not blame immigrants in fact many have admitted they would do the same if it meant a better life for the children. They blame the government for providing no protection for the services and rights that the working class fought for. I'm pretty socialist but what's the point, my children will never benefit from it nor anyones from my community. That is why people are angry, my family has contributed to this country since my ancestors immigrated from Ireland with tax, labour, military service etc if that but me and my siblings can only ever expect to rent private even if we was in dire finances unless we had children yet immigrants are offered council housing fairly quickly. That isn't fair and its punishing native communities who've contributed to the UK for hundreds of years.

    Foreign aid is just retarded. We gave millions and millions to India who have there own space program (we don't even have one). It never reaches its target and why should the British people pay for other countries poor when they themselves are unwilling to pay for them especially when there are people dying from conditions caused by poverty over here.

    I'm not even going to try argue your last point it's just stereotyping.

    Maybe once the left realise uncontrolled immigration only benefits big buisness who use foreign labour to bring down t&cs and only puts more pressure on some of Britains poorest and most vulnerable communities instead of dismissing critics as racists, ignorant etc like they have for the last ten years then the right will stop banging on about it. Its not even like the effect is spread, immigrants make up a small percentage of the country but some of poorest areas in the UK are 90% made up of immigrants making the pressure on local services ten fold.

    You can be anti uncontrolled immigration without been anti-immigrant. Those likening it to various fascists authoritarian parties are ridiculous, you think the US or Australia let anyone in? No they make you jump through hoops to prove your a benefit to their society by solving problems (skills shortages, providing investment) not creating them.
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    Farage- good

    Nuttall - Obnoxious universally hated chunt
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    The NHS will almost certainly need to be at least part privatised and /or overhauled at some point and it will probably happen about 10 years after it really needed to thanks to the fact that no main party wants to be the first to put this in their manifesto but hey ho.


    As for charges,I think having compulsory charges would penalise the most vulnerable in one way or another but I really think that voluntory donations should be introduced .

    Im always late for things and often forget important dates and appointments and would love the opportunity to pay instead of feeling ashamed.
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    (Original post by EllieC130)
    Basically I overheard a conversation some girls were having about how if UKIP get into power the country is doomed, jokingly saying they'd all be kicked out of the country (three Asian girls and a black girl; all born here) but then went on to say Farage wanted all the Asians out which is when I said "He couldn't do that. There'd be some massive rebellion" also adding that the Tories and Labour wouldn't be much better for the country. I bowed out soon afterwards realising I'd kind of spoken where I shouldn't have (because you know, not my conversation). This got me to thinking about how there are probably a lot of people that really think that.

    My dad votes for UKIP and I got into a conversation with him about it the other day. He argued that UKIP aren't actually racist, they just want tighter immigration laws and for our country to stop giving benefits to everyone who comes in.

    Now while his argument, though not really backed up by anything, actually sounds more like something that COULD be a possibility I'm still not sure partially because of the bad rep they've got. I want intending on voting next year but now im considering voting for UKIP mainly because we've seen both the conservatives and labour **** up so it'd be nice to see if UKI p is an improvement. If not, we can always get rid of them in 4 years right? But anyways I'm interested as to what you all think.

    I know these threads are overdone however I wanted to make a thread asking rather than focussing on certain things, I just want to ask in general do people consider UKIP good or bad?
    Well isn't this intersting to look back on XD
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    Well speaking from an Asian point of view.

    If eventhough I'm born here, they have ideologies of kicking me out of my own country, then they can **** right off.
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    (Original post by TheJammyFox)
    Well speaking from an Asian point of view.

    If eventhough I'm born here, they have ideologies of kicking me out of my own country, then they can **** right off.
    Good that they don't then.
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    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    My private dentist charges for missed appointments. Why can't my GP??

    BECAUSE ALL NHS TREATMENT IS FREE AT THE POINT OF DELIVERY.

    It is holy writ, religious dogma, any attempt to tamper with it is "privatising" and the "thin end of the wedge" ya de ya.

    Ridiculous.
    What are you talking about? Huge swathes of the NHS have been privatised. Your NHS dentist probably does private work on the side as do many hospital consultants. To say nothing of the CAT scan, hearing aid, hip operation and other services that are outsourced by the government. I would wage that more of the NHS is private than public and I would also suggest that this is partly responsible for the reason the NHS is costing more now than it did before. Where else is the profit going to come from?
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    How to bring back a dead, dead thread 101.
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    (Original post by TheJammyFox)
    Well speaking from an Asian point of view.

    If eventhough I'm born here, they have ideologies of kicking me out of my own country, then they can **** right off.
    UKIP only really hates Muslims though. That's something a huge number of Non-Muslim Indians support them over as well. I think people forget that UKIP has Indian supporters too.
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    (Original post by disposable)
    UKIP only really hates Muslims though. That's something a huge number of Non-Muslim Indians support them over as well. I think people forget that UKIP has Indian supporters too.
    Well I don't care about religion. All i see is if UKIP hates Muslims and wants them out then I don't see why they won't pull the trigger on Sikhs, Hindus, Jewish, and other people from other minority religons/races.
 
 
 
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