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    (Original post by jeffercake)
    It would need to conform to both criteria. It has to be less than 47 lines AND less than 4000 (or whatever it is) characters.
    Damn. I was reading it last night and thought I read or, but I'm probably reading what I want to see!

    Edit- just checked and it does say OR not AND, so might be ok?

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    (Original post by Airfairy)
    Damn. I was reading it last night and thought I read or, but I'm probably reading what I want to see!

    Edit- just checked and it does say OR not AND, so might be ok?

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    It had to be less than both for the undergrad ps!
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    (Original post by MelanieKR)
    I think this may be the irrational part of me talking but I'm slightly worried about the entry requirements. I'm applying for Secondary English and I have a good degree in the subject but I am also expected to have a Standard Grade (GCSE I guess) Credit 2 but I only have a General 3. Will it matter? They do say it is a minimum requirement but surely I can't be judged on a qualification I did 7 years ago when I was 15? I'm only one grade out too...
    I think it might matter, sorry. In Scotland it's not the universities who set the entry requirements, it's the GTC.
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    (Original post by jeffercake)
    It had to be less than both for the undergrad ps!
    I accidentally clicked on the undergrad guide when I first looked, and that said or as well haha. Maybe they've changed it since :dontknow:
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    2 days and my personal statement is still miles longer than it should be, and there's way more I could put in! Anyone else having a hard time prioritising?
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    On placement today and the lady I usually work with is away sick. I wanted to ask her advice about things to mention and ask for a reference too so I'm a bit stuck.

    I'm thinking of using my dissertation supervisor for my academic reference but I was wondering if it'd be better to use somebody that knows me well for my secondary reference. My uni disability mentor would probably be the best but then theres the issue of her being my _disability_ mentor. I could just wait for next week.

    I could add a second academic mentor or the chairperson of the learning disability group I worked with over the summer.

    Does anyone know if Keele is coming up for standard PGCE computer science? It's showing as accrediting local schools but their own course isn't there.

    The school I'm observing is offering Teach First so I'm hoping that could work out but I'm starting to get really flustered about everything.

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    (Original post by Esmeralda4)
    2 days and my personal statement is still miles longer than it should be, and there's way more I could put in! Anyone else having a hard time prioritising?
    Yes yes yes. I may end up being 10-20 lines over and that's after getting rid of 13 already! I'm going to get random other people to read it and tell me what comes across as unnecessary.
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    (Original post by Airfairy)
    Yes yes yes. I may end up being 10-20 lines over and that's after getting rid of 13 already! I'm going to get random other people to read it and tell me what comes across as unnecessary.
    Same, I got it down to 4,000 characters and then realised it was 4,000 characters excluding spaces. Including spaces I'm still about 800 characters over and that's after deleting and editing to within an inch of my life!

    How many lines are people devoting to their classroom experience para and what exactly are you saying in it? I've found that explaining just one thing I learnt or observed plus an example takes up 5-10 lines in itself. In other words I've only got room to talk about two aspects of my classroom exp when I could easily talk about 10!
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    I have given an overview of what I did and my role in the school then put 2 more detailed examples. I could easily talk all day about it but have tried to be more concise in thw hope that the examples are enough to display what I can so/what I got from the experience.
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    (Original post by Esmeralda4)
    I have given an overview of what I did and my role in the school then put 2 more detailed examples. I could easily talk all day about it but have tried to be more concise in thw hope that the examples are enough to display what I can so/what I got from the experience.
    Ah this makes me feel a bit better then. I work in the admissions dept at a sixth form and I see applications come and go daily and I can tell you nobody even reads the Personal Statements! Hope this isn't all for nothing.
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    (Original post by dan92pne)
    Same, I got it down to 4,000 characters and then realised it was 4,000 characters excluding spaces. Including spaces I'm still about 800 characters over and that's after deleting and editing to within an inch of my life!

    How many lines are people devoting to their classroom experience para and what exactly are you saying in it? I've found that explaining just one thing I learnt or observed plus an example takes up 5-10 lines in itself. In other words I've only got room to talk about two aspects of my classroom exp when I could easily talk about 10!
    My personal statement talks in broader strokes rather than detailing a particular thing. I have also kept why I want to teach/my motivations to a paragraph too. Ultimately with word editing (I am a copy writer and work as a press officer) you have to be brutal, take each point you have made and rank them in terms of importance; personally I feel a long winded explanation about how Mrs S in Primary School inspired you to teach is not as valuable as a point of experience in a classroom. I am no expert on personal statements of course and without seeing your statement it's hard to tell, but if you can't fit it all in, you have information you don't need in there.
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    (Original post by dan92pne)
    Ah this makes me feel a bit better then. I work in the admissions dept at a sixth form and I see applications come and go daily and I can tell you nobody even reads the Personal Statements! Hope this isn't all for nothing.
    I hope they read it, the stress it is causing! Lol.
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    From what I remember, it is 4000 characters OR 47 lines, WHICHEVER YOU GET TO FIRST. Could be misremembering though!

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    Two questions, if anyone has the answers.

    Can your references see your personal statement?

    Does my school reference need to put the dates I have been there? Or can I just put that in my form?

    Thanks!
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    With the PS I just had to brutal with mine, use one example for each point I was making and deleting anything I did not feel showed why I wanted to be a teacher and what I had learned from observing classes/teachers.

    Mine is 46 lines, so hopefully will be well in the box!
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    (Original post by womanonamission)
    Hey guys,

    One of the universities that I want to go to (St. Marys in Twickenham) do not specialise in Early Years.

    I initially wanted to specialise in Early Years, so am a bit unsure now.

    Do you think the specialism will effect me in the future?

    Thanks
    It depends - do you want to specialise in Early Years because you really like the Early Years ethos, the way of learning, etc? Or is it more that you simply prefer working with the younger children?

    (Original post by alabelle)
    I have worked during my time at uni, for over a year. Do you know how much/what sort of evidence is required? Sorry for all the questions, if you have a link to something that talks about this stuff it would be good.
    Just found this http://www.sfengland.slc.co.uk/media...yap_1314_d.pdf pg.28.

    So it looks like you need to have been in full time work!

    (Original post by xxstace123xx)
    Should your principal referee be your academic reference (Lecturer at university) and then Headteacher from school secondary or does it not matter?

    Thanks.
    The academic one should be the principal reference.


    (Original post by Airfairy)
    I accidentally clicked on the undergrad guide when I first looked, and that said or as well haha. Maybe they've changed it since :dontknow:
    (Original post by LaurieLee)
    From what I remember, it is 4000 characters OR 47 lines, WHICHEVER YOU GET TO FIRST. Could be misremembering though!

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    I think this is right! The 'whichever is less' bit. It's just poor phrasing. English is an ambiguous language!

    (Original post by dan92pne)
    Same, I got it down to 4,000 characters and then realised it was 4,000 characters excluding spaces. Including spaces I'm still about 800 characters over and that's after deleting and editing to within an inch of my life!

    How many lines are people devoting to their classroom experience para and what exactly are you saying in it? I've found that explaining just one thing I learnt or observed plus an example takes up 5-10 lines in itself. In other words I've only got room to talk about two aspects of my classroom exp when I could easily talk about 10!
    Remember, you can never fit everything in. As long as you have some examples of being able to reflect on what you've seen then that's fine - you will have had loads of great reflections which you could include and they won't be expecting to see that you've noted this and that key point about education, just that you've noticed SOMETHING

    (Original post by xxstace123xx)
    Two questions, if anyone has the answers.

    Can your references see your personal statement?

    Does my school reference need to put the dates I have been there? Or can I just put that in my form?

    Thanks!
    You can put the dates of your experience, where and a brief note on what you did in the 'Experience' section of the application form.

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    (Original post by Airfairy)
    I accidentally clicked on the undergrad guide when I first looked, and that said or as well haha. Maybe they've changed it since :dontknow:
    The maximum is 4000 characters or 47 lines - depending on which you hit first, that will be your "limit".

    But the other poster is right, that means it needs to meet both sets of criteria - being over either one of them will mean it is cut off.

    Hope this makes sense!
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    Also, to anyone worrying whether their personal statement will "fit in the box" on ucas.com - use this tool

    http://maccery.com/ps/
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    (Original post by xxstace123xx)
    Two questions, if anyone has the answers.

    Can your references see your personal statement?

    Does my school reference need to put the dates I have been there? Or can I just put that in my form?

    Thanks!
    No (unless you've shared it with them through other means!).

    No they do not have to put in the dates, you yourself put the dates in the experience part of the form - though I doubt it'd matter if your reference mentioned the dates, either!
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    (Original post by Deja Vu)
    Also, to anyone worrying whether their personal statement will "fit in the box" on ucas.com - use this tool

    http://maccery.com/ps/
    That's a great little tool, thanks.
 
 
 
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