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    All socialists should die.
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    Che Guevara was a murderous rapist and anyone wearing a t-shirt with his face on is a total moron.
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    Scrap tuition fees, replace it with a graduate tax. Get rid of the means tested grant for the vast majority and replace it with a maintenance loan of £7-8k per annum.
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    (Original post by constantino_chr)
    If you idolize Gandhi or think he's 'literally so amazing' then you clearly know very little about him, he was a Islamophobic bigot.
    He wasn't a pacifist either

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    (Original post by Dylann)
    He wasn't a pacifist either

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    Funny how everyone seems to remember 'an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind' but no one remembers 'if India wants a bloodbath she will get it'
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    (Original post by Jonny360)
    Income tax should be abolished, corporation tax halved, smoking, alcohol, petrol, car, VAT and any other commodity tax should be abolished.

    And government spending obviously massively diminished. I think the British people deserve what say over what happens to their money, and the government certainly can't be trusted to do that.
    That is just a stupid idea. We need tax for our country to simply be able to function, it's as simple as that.

    What sort of cuts would you make? Abolish the state funded NHS, leaving many people unable to afford healthcare? Abolish unemployment benefits and leave the unemployed to starve to death on the streets? Because you'd have to be that extreme if you were to abolish all sorts of taxes while halving corporation tax.
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    Apparently i'm not logical when I explain the below graphic to anyone -_-
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    Ignoring statistics, do you think the death penalty is a deterrance against violent crime? Should it be kept in the United States? Should it be reinstated in the United Kingdom? A poll says 55% of the UK public would vote yes to reinstation.
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    (Original post by MeganCizmas)
    Ignoring statistics, do you think the death penalty is a deterrance against violent crime? Should it be kept in the United States? Should it be reinstated in the United Kingdom? A poll says 55% of the UK public would vote yes to reinstation.
    Some killers want to die and to me, it is the easy way out. Gary Gilmore did ask (and I believe was granted) the death penalty.

    Death penalty = not justice for me
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    (Original post by DiceTheSlice)
    Apparently i'm not logical when I explain the below graphic to anyone -_-
    Religion doesn't create ethics, but it certainly influences them. I don't think it's right to completely discount religion when we're talking about the things that people do that we can trace beck to religious scripture.
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    (Original post by TheTruthTeller)
    Hey guys,

    As the title says, what is the view you hold deemed most "controversial" in this society we live in today in Britain?
    Like the mini planet Pluto I think black holes should be reclassified. Technically they are not holes, neither are they ******s. They should be called super 'duper gravitational singularities' or somethin, so as not to offend.
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    I live in America. And for me it's being against gay marriage and abortion
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    (Original post by MattyR2895)
    Religion doesn't create ethics, but it certainly influences them. I don't think it's right to completely discount religion when we're talking about the things that people do that we can trace beck to religious scripture.
    Painting a religion with a single brush is what I want to object to.
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    (Original post by constantino_chr)
    Funny how everyone seems to remember 'an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind' but no one remembers 'if India wants a bloodbath she will get it'
    It's worth noting he was something of a hypocrite, happy to let his wife die in opposal to modern medicine but jumps for it when it can save him. Out of him, mother Teresa and john Lennon I'm not sure who was the worst person that's been posthumously deified.

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    (Original post by RFowler)
    That is just a stupid idea. We need tax for our country to simply be able to function, it's as simple as that.

    What sort of cuts would you make? Abolish the state funded NHS, leaving many people unable to afford healthcare? Abolish unemployment benefits and leave the unemployed to starve to death on the streets? Because you'd have to be that extreme if you were to abolish all sorts of taxes while halving corporation tax.
    We don't need taxes for our country to function, that's just statist thinking. The private sector has done perfectly fine without massive government spending. It's amazing how statists think that we won't be able to function without a government to spend our money for us yet we're able to pay for all inefficiently run public services anyway, plus a massive central government and all its bureaucracy. There's absolutely no reason we can't cut out the middle man.

    As for benefits, just because a service isn't run by the government doesn't mean it can't exist at all. Before social security, charities existed to help those unfortunate and received masses of funding privately. Voluntary socialism is entirely possible under a libertarian society.

    Society would be far, far richer without the monopolistic government's services that are inefficient, more expensive and of poorer quality than a private sector solution sorted out by the free market.
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    Germany's current policy is doing more harm that good to europe.
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    (Original post by Jonny360)
    We don't need taxes for our country to function, that's just statist thinking. The private sector has done perfectly fine without massive government spending. It's amazing how statists think that we won't be able to function without a government to spend our money for us yet we're able to pay for all inefficiently run public services anyway, plus a massive central government and all its bureaucracy. There's absolutely no reason we can't cut out the middle man.

    As for benefits, just because a service isn't run by the government doesn't mean it can't exist at all. Before social security, charities existed to help those unfortunate and received masses of funding privately. Voluntary socialism is entirely possible under a libertarian society.

    Society would be far, far richer without the monopolistic government's services that are inefficient, more expensive and of poorer quality than a private sector solution sorted out by the free market.
    Yes we do need taxes for our country to function.

    Under your system of abolish the welfare system and let charities replace it, people would be starving to death. Relying on charities is not a reliable way to sort out those problems because they cannot help everyone who needs help.

    If a service is not run by the government, that service ends up being run with profit as the main motive. This is dangerous for things like health care where the aim should be to provide a social service, not to make profit.

    You do know that "private = efficient and state = inefficient" is a very very general rule of thumb with many exceptions, rather than a hard and fast rule? It wasn't a state run police force that failed to provide enough security personnel for the olympics. It wasn't a state funded healthcare system that pulled out of a contract to run an NHS hospital basically citing an inability to make profit. And the state funded NHS has been rated as one of the best healthcare systems in the western world by a study that also rated privatised health systems like in the USA to be very poor in comparison. Private healthcare is only good for those who can afford it.

    The idea that we could basically abolish taxes and have the private sector replace public services and deliver them to the same standard is pure fantasy.
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    (Original post by RFowler)
    Yes we do need taxes for our country to function.

    Under your system of abolish the welfare system and let charities replace it, people would be starving to death. Relying on charities is not a reliable way to sort out those problems because they cannot help everyone who needs help.

    If a service is not run by the government, that service ends up being run with profit as the main motive. This is dangerous for things like health care where the aim should be to provide a social service, not to make profit.

    You do know that "private = efficient and state = inefficient" is a very very general rule of thumb with many exceptions, rather than a hard and fast rule? It wasn't a state run police force that failed to provide enough security personnel for the olympics. It wasn't a state funded healthcare system that pulled out of a contract to run an NHS hospital basically citing an inability to make profit. And the state funded NHS has been rated as one of the best healthcare systems in the western world by a study that also rated privatised health systems like in the USA to be very poor in comparison. Private healthcare is only good for those who can afford it.

    The idea that we could basically abolish taxes and have the private sector replace public services and deliver them to the same standard is pure fantasy.
    1. People would be starving to death? That's a very big assumption to make for a start. Without having to pay for an expensive government people would be richer and without VAT consumers would be able to get more for their money. And btw, like I said, voluntary socialism is entirely possible in a libertarian society. If you want to give away massive shares of your income to the state, go ahead! But don't force me to.

    2. As for profit driven services, the majority of our market is privately run for profit, and look at the massive leaps that have been made. Look at a phone or car just 10 years ago and compare them to today. Massive, massive leap forward which has been of a massive benefit for the general population, yet these industries are profit driven. The thing about the free market is that in order to make a profit you need to deliver a good or service that is of the best quality and price. You need to have only a normal level of profit. If you don't your competitors will put you out of business. A government controlled service is a coercive monopoly, and they are free to offer any kinda of crappy service they want and you can't do anything about it since they've eliminated the free market. If you're a private company you simply can't operate a poor service to your customers in a free market and expect to survive.

    3. It's certainly something to be followed though! I believe the free market is the most efficient as their #1 motive is profit, and any inefficiency is money down the drain. As for the olympic security you mention, I have no idea about that, but the olympics was a state service and they were the ones who should have ensured the company they were hiring was capable to manage the job, and if necessary hire more. If the olympics was profit driven a company could not afford that bad PR and would have ensured their event was adequately secured.

    4. The company pulling out the NHS - no idea what this is about, but clearly shows the company wasn't good enough, and doesn't deserve to manage the healthcare system. Lots of businesses can't survive, the free market is survival of the fittest. Another company could manage where the first failed. I'd like to see the study you refer to. I've always been under the belief that the NHS has some of the longest waiting lines in the world and is one of the most expensive too.

    5. If we can pay for a government and all the public services that you don't need (i.e. you pay for the olympics even if you don't watch them, buses even if you don't use them, universities that you may not attend, MPs wages and expenses, as well as all the government buildings and departments) then why on earth could society not afford these things on their own.
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    If black people etc. are allowed to be proud of their ethnicity then so should white people.
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    climate change isn't man made.
 
 
 
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