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    (Original post by toronto353)
    Absolutely and it's nice to see a fun side to him. He seems to be going down well with the public though, loudest standing ovation of the night on the show and he's survived the first public vote.
    Out of all the well-known politicians, I reckon Nick Clegg would be the best at Strictly.

    I remember Vince Cable doing the Christmas show a few years ago which was quite funny.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Out of all the well-known politicians, I reckon Nick Clegg would be the best at Strictly.

    Ed Miliband obvs
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    Would love to see Boris do it, I would give almost anything to see it.... Normally I hate Ed Balls, but I thought he was great!
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    (Original post by meenu89)
    Would love to see Boris do it, I would give almost anything to see it.... Normally I hate Ed Balls, but I though he was great!
    Would love to see him and Cameron do it. *Reckon all the Eton lot would be pretty good at it haha.*
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    The government drops its absurd plan of naming and shaming firms who employ foreign workers.

    Good.*
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    The government drops its absurd plan of naming and shaming firms who employ foreign workers.

    Good.*
    Did they even seriously want it anyway, or was it just a voter grab and then quietly drop it
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Did they even seriously want it anyway, or was it just a voter grab and then quietly drop it
    Probably an attempt to pander to UKIP voters. What I now find bizaree is that it is remainers like May and Rudd who are coming out with far more ridiculous anti-immigrant statements than the leave camp did. Steve Hilton wrote a good article about it in the Times.

    There are of course legitimate concerns about immigration but the proposal the government made here was beyond ridiculous.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    The government drops its absurd plan of naming and shaming firms who employ foreign workers.

    Good.*
    Should there be a plan instead to have to declare the number of Old Etonians, or anyone who has donated money to the Tories?
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    So, Northern Ireland to be the new Calais then?

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    It's not right that May says she will leave the single market without a parliamentary vote.
    She absolutely has the authority to revoke our membership of the EU, the British people voted for that and she is right to do so. But once our membership has been revoked the rest should be up to Parliament to decide and scrutinise.

    She has a mandate to withdraw us from the EU, she doesn't have a mandate to single handedly decide the terms of our future relationship with the EU without Parliamentary approval or scrutiny.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    It's not right that May says she will leave the single market without a parliamentary vote.
    She absolutely has the authority to revoke our membership of the EU, the British people voted for that and she is right to do so. But once our membership has been revoked the rest should be up to Parliament to decide and scrutinise.

    She has a mandate to withdraw us from the EU, she doesn't have a mandate to single handedly decide the terms of our future relationship with the EU without Parliamentary approval or scrutiny.
    While i do think parliament should ratify the exit agreement i think she has every right to withdraw from the single market if that is the price to be paid for sovereignty (withdraw from the ECJ) and free movement. Post Brexit polling suggests that ~50% voted primarily for sovereignty and ~30 for immigration.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    It's not right that May says she will leave the single market without a parliamentary vote.
    She absolutely has the authority to revoke our membership of the EU, the British people voted for that and she is right to do so. But once our membership has been revoked the rest should be up to Parliament to decide and scrutinise.

    She has a mandate to withdraw us from the EU, she doesn't have a mandate to single handedly decide the terms of our future relationship with the EU without Parliamentary approval or scrutiny.
    *Cough* prerogative powers

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    *Cough* prerogative powers

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    He isn't sayingthat she can't, just that it isn't right for her to do so.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    *Cough* prerogative powers

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    She has a right to use them to invoke article 50. Look I think we should have withdrawal our membership of the EU now, we voted for it.
    But we didn't vote about whether or not we should be in the single market or to what extent we should curb migration.

    The questions relating to what our future relationship with the EU should be, should be subject to scrutiny and a vote by Parliament.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    He isn't sayingthat she can't, just that it isn't right for her to do so.

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    The only way in which it isn't right is the "waaah, I want this blocked" way

    If May lacks any mandate it is the mandate to deviate significantly from the election manifesto, on that one I would agree and think if she does want to significantly deviate then she should try for an early election.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    The only way in which it isn't right is the "waaah, I want this blocked" way

    If May lacks any mandate it is the mandate to deviate significantly from the election manifesto, on that one I would agree and think if she does want to significantly deviate then she should try for an early election.
    So you'd be happy with a very soft brexit then because she has that mandate.

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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    While i do think parliament should ratify the exit agreement i think she has every right to withdraw from the single market if that is the price to be paid for sovereignty (withdraw from the ECJ) and free movement. Post Brexit polling suggests that ~50% voted primarily for sovereignty and ~30 for immigration.

    There's no reason why that shouldn't be put to Parliament. She has every right to revoke membership of EU but future arrangements should not be conducted using the prerogative, it's an abuse of power.

    May has the mandate to rescind membership, she does not have the mandate to unilaterally determine the exit arrangements.*
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    The only way in which it isn't right is the "waaah, I want this blocked" way

    If May lacks any mandate it is the mandate to deviate significantly from the election manifesto, on that one I would agree and think if she does want to significantly deviate then she should try for an early election.
    Would you say we're at that point already if the policies in the Autumn Statement match the much-changed rhetoric on fiscal policy?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    The only way in which it isn't right is the "waaah, I want this blocked" way

    If May lacks any mandate it is the mandate to deviate significantly from the election manifesto, on that one I would agree and think if she does want to significantly deviate then she should try for an early election.
    I don't want it blocked, not if Parliament votes for it. What I dislike is a prime minister doing things without putting them to parliament when she has no mandate to do them.

    *I'm not saying we shouldn't leave the single market. I'm saying that it should be subject to a parliamentary vote. That's democracy, the very thing you claim so much to love. The referendum established that we must rescind our EU membership.
    * We voted to leave the EU and we will leave the EU, but why should the PM get to unilaterally decide the exit terms after we have left without parliamentary scrutiny or approval? We didn't vote on the exit terms. * Parliamentary scrutiny is one of the founding principles of our democracy.*
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    (Original post by Aph)
    So you'd be happy with a very soft brexit then because she has that mandate.

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    I wouldn't necessarily approve, but then suddenly UKIP are in their ascendancy again, and May's moving out of No. 10, and all of a sudden it doesn't seem a likely outcome. At the end of the day the electorate are better scrutineers than the commons.
 
 
 
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