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    (Original post by caravaggio2)
    "Keep in mind who gives the most contributions to the world, perhaps even google it".

    I assume youre not counting the oil.
    since when did having a mass of underground oil become a contribution that humans have achieved through hard work?.....didnt think so, the location of oil is just a matter of geography.
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    Apart from the fact that Muslims out-number Jews by something like 15:1 in the UK (which will skew this vote as Muslims will bloc vote on religious ground as they always do) - any leftists voting for Gaza should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

    I always find it amusing when leftists side with those that would have them killed first.
    Behave white boy it's apparent you know nothing on the situation. Any one with logic and a drop of humanity in their body would support Gaza.
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    Israel. They want ONE country of their own to live in peace, but this is not allowed.

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    (Original post by BullViagra)
    1. I disagree with Hamas, I don't like how they use suicide bombers etc. But these men are usually fueled by the fact that their families, or friends, or both, have been murdered. They've been run out of their land and treated as sub-human. A lot of them faced trauma, lack of food, water and electricity. They are indigenous and indignant. You and I can't fathom their motives. As I said, I disagree with them and their tactics - but the strong cycle of hatred that's within the conflict motivates both parties, Hamas does not have uncalled for motives unfortunately.

    2. You have your figures mistaken, it's the other way around. Around 80% of casualties are civilians. A very bad figure.
    If your first point is the final conclusion then really there is no political and peaceful resolution to this decades long conflict. Once you have an emotional and angered citizen they pass their trauma and hatred to their children and even to the local mosques. One mans hatred becomes everyone's now and in future generations. This leaves one conclusion and that is military action by both sides and one has to win. All these stupid liberals shout out let's propose a ceasefire and so on yet it will never happen. Either the international community intervene militarily (will lead to a whole host of problems) or we let them fight it out and introduce permanent borders once and for all.

    Those figures come from the non-bias and accurate source that is the daily mail. Check.
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    (Original post by #That'sNotMe)
    because I could say Hamas only attack in retaliation to the spellings.
    Did Hamas retaliate with the full force of autocorrect?
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    (Original post by SMEGGGY)
    Israel. They want ONE country of their own to live in peace, but this is not allowed.

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    Israel takes up around 0.6% of middle east land.

    Arabs have 22 nations. Muslims have 56 nations.

    Jews want a patch of land the size of Wales.

    Yet are accused of 'land grabbing'

    You couldn't make it up.
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    Both sides need to man up

    http://www.bigissue.com/features/col...t-tat-violence
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    (Original post by gideon123)
    since when did having a mass of underground oil become a contribution that humans have achieved through hard work?.....didnt think so, the location of oil is just a matter of geography.
    Orthodox Jews don't support Zionism as you know the Torah forbids a Jewish state. So I don't understand why you would support such a ugly state
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    (Original post by presidential_)
    what?!!!!!!! where do you get your information? out of the roughly 600 killed, MOST are innocent civilians, women, children.
    No these are very reliable figures. You must not forget Hamas is made up of men, women and children. Very few are civilians.

    There has been so much Hamas propaganda of women and children using deadly firearms.
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    Good analysis.

    I think you alluded to an important point about size of population etc.

    Arabs have 22 states. Muslims have 56 states.

    Israel sits on around 0.6% of middle east land.

    It seems Muslims are not content with 99.4% of the middle east.

    Additionally, you can see what Arab Muslims have done to other minorities in the middle east. Killed, persecuted, chased out or forced to convert.

    Israelis will not allow that to happen. They are indigenous to the land of Israel. It's the birthplace of Judaism. The Jewish people have contributed immeasurably to humanity and will continue to do so.

    I stand with Israel.
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    (Original post by PaulPaulPaul)
    Orthodox Jews don't support Zionism as you know the Torah forbids a Jewish state. So I don't understand why you would support such a ugly state
    i am an orthadox jew and i do support zionism and no the torah does not forbid a jewish state...its just the different ways of interpreting the torah according to different sects of judaism
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    20 times as many Arabs have died in 3 years in Syria, than ALL Israelis and ALL 'palestinians' combined in 47 years.
    Exactly. All this hatred towards Israel is not because of their military retaliations but rather because they are Jewish. Clearly if you are non-Muslim in the Middle East you are automatically hated.
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    Israel.

    Unless we expect Israel to just put up with Hamas firing rockets at their civilians, we cannot expect them to do nothing. And what they have done is made more effort to avoid civilian deaths than any other belligerent in history. There would be far fewer civilian deaths if Hamas didn't treat them like chaff. They cower behind women and children knowing the Israelis will either avert their fire or grant them a propaganda victory. So Israel are caught between a rock and a hard place, but they know their first duty is to protect their people. As the nation which bombed Dresden, we cannot really speak from any moral high-ground.

    Or maybe all the Jews should just go 'home', right?
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    Israel takes up around 0.6% of middle east land.

    Arabs have 22 nations. Muslims have 56 nations.

    Jews want a patch of land the size of Wales.

    Yet are accused of 'land grabbing'

    You couldn't make it up.
    So true. But people want to ignore this nugget of information. Citizens of the countries around the world are using it as an excuse to portray their hatred for Jews. France had riots with ********s chanting 'death to Jews' they attacked Synagogues etc etc - it's insane and should not be tolerated.
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    (Original post by bertstare)
    Gaza like any rational person
    Government intel proves where Israel distribute leaflets and digitally communicate with civilians to evacuate the area, Hamas has them congregate in the area without the knowledge of an inevitable airstrike or artillery strike. Hamas are pure evil and a terrorist organisation. How can you defend people like this who would given the chance and I quote from Hamas propaganda "remove by force or act of genocide any non Muslim and western citizen". They would kill you and your family with no remorse while Israel have no interest in attacking non Muslims or the west. Seriously.

    Hamas publicly said they want to eradicate the Jewish state of Israel seriously wtf do you expect Israel to do.
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    (Original post by gideon123)
    i am an orthadox jew and i do support zionism and no the torah does not forbid a jewish state...its just the different ways of interpreting the torah according to different sects of judaism
    So you like to interpret it in a manner which nicely fits in with your wants of an illegal state?
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    I don't side with anybody, I just know that the fighting has to stop. People are dying for no reason. Nobody will actually 'win', there will just be more deaths until they stop. The civilians are just stuck in the middle while the authorities fight for them, by killing each other's civilians.

    I think it all boils down to selfishness, pride and evil. The people at the top, ordering the fighting to continue do not lose anything themselves, so as far as they're concerned, why not?
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    (Original post by Rinsed)
    Israel.

    Unless we expect Israel to just put up with Hamas firing rockets at their civilians, we cannot expect them to do nothing. And what they have done is made more effort to avoid civilian deaths than any other belligerent in history. There would be far fewer civilian deaths if Hamas didn't treat them like chaff. They cower behind women and children knowing the Israelis will either avert their fire or grant them a propaganda victory. So Israel are caught between a rock and a hard place, but they know their first duty is to protect their people. As the nation which bombed Dresden, we cannot really speak from any moral high-ground.

    Or maybe all the Jews should just go 'home', right?
    They are home though. Palestinians too can build bomb shelters, but Hamas does not want this, they don't want any sort of peace, so instead they are getting what they desire so much.

    If the Palestinians have any intelligence they'll oust Hamas as the unity Government and elect those who will bring peace between Israel and Palestine.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    I support the ordinary people of Gaza who just want to live their lives without being bombed, slaughtered, displaced, deprived of basic needs such as first aid and food, or having their homes bulldozed.
    This. ^


    Israel is currently firing shells that are designed to spread out and kill as many people as possible in a given radius. http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...shells-in-gaza

    This isn't strategic targeting, its just killing Palestinians regardless of who they are in attempt to shell them into submission.



    All this will do is cause an increase in support for groups like Hamas. The troubles in northern Ireland were not solved by bombing people into oblivion.

    300 people died when there plain was shot down by the Ukrainian separatists. We can;t control the separatists but we can can massively influence the likes of Israel who are responsible for more deaths. Focus on your enemies crimes and ignore your own.
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    (Original post by MASTER265)
    Exactly. All this hatred towards Israel is not because of their military retaliations but rather because they are Jewish. Clearly if you are non-Muslim in the Middle East you are automatically hated.


    And a whole host of minorities can attest to that. Not least the Christians who have been massacred, chased out and forced to convert. Leaving them just a few pockets of safety.

    Currently they're being driven out of Mosul where they've had a presence since practically the inception of Christianity.

    Even the 'palestinian' Christians have suffered at the hands of their Muslim brothers. Their population has drastically shrunk as the Mosques are built surrounding their churches in the West Bank.

    When Hamas took over Gaza, they fire-bombed Christian book stores, internet cafes and gunned down the most prominent Christian leader there.

    There were around 3,000 Christian in Gaza when Hamas took over in 2007. Now there are under 1,000.
 
 
 
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