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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    It isn't though.

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    Controlling borders is about controlling how many immigrants come to the UK
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Its probably wrong to call it wasting.

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    Why is it wrong ? explain
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    But it's not ....... Apparently ungrateful " Migrants " are entitled to benefits according to the EU...... why do you think that Cameron tried to get benefit reform during his failed negotiation
    Migrants are entitled to benefits if and insofar as they arrived after having shown the capability of sustaining themselves and their families, and then are unfortunate enough to no longer be so capable. What is not permissible under EU law is for some unemployed Romanian bloke to think 'eyup dem benefits the UK's got are good init' and come and live off benefits here, and anyone suggesting otherwise is either misinformed or lying.
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    Controlling borders is about controlling how many immigrants come to the UK
    It's not. It's about controlling which migrants come to the UK.
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    Migrants are entitled to benefits if and insofar as they arrived after having shown the capability of sustaining themselves and their families, and then are unfortunate enough to no longer be so capable. What is not permissible under EU law is for some unemployed Romanian bloke to think 'eyup dem benefits the UK's got are good init' and come and live off benefits here, and anyone suggesting otherwise is either misinformed or lying.
    But if you listen to some Migrants in Calais a lot say " We want to go to England because they give us more money than France or Germany " ...... It's a drain on money than could be used to give to people ( i.e UK citizens ) that really need it not someone escaping " War or persecution "
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    Apparently the reason there are no pork scratchings sold in the campus bars is because they aren't halal, I really hope the person was talking ******** when they said that...

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    It's not. It's about controlling which migrants come to the UK.
    But we can't do that in the EU , we have to accept free movement of people ... as soon as theses " Migrants " get EU passports it's Welcome to the UK .....
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    Apparently the reason there are no pork scratchings sold in the campus bars is because they aren't halal, I really hope the person was talking ******** when they said that...

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    .................. Last time i checked Muslims did'nt have the right to dictate what can be sold in bars , shops etc ..... don't like it ? then don't have them ,,,, simple as
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    But if you listen to some Migrants in Calais a lot say " We want to go to England because they give us more money than France or Germany " ...... It's a drain on money than could be used to give to people ( i.e UK citizens ) that really need it not someone escaping " War or persecution "
    Anecdotes, and insofar as there is a problem, as I have said, it is the fault of the UK government, not the EU. EU law does not require the UK government to take EU migrants who cannot support themselves. As for Calais... there is a moral obligation to support refugees, and of course the UK should take its fair share.

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    But we can't do that in the EU , we have to accept free movement of people ... as soon as theses " Migrants " get EU passports it's Welcome to the UK .....
    This is just wrong. I strongly recommend you read this in full before saying a single word more on migration within the EU: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/... />0012:EN:PDF
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    Controlling borders is about controlling how many immigrants come to the UK
    It seems TDA got there before me. We can and do control our borders.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Anecdotes, and insofar as there is a problem, as I have said, it is the fault of the UK government, not the EU. EU law does not require the UK government to take EU migrants who cannot support themselves. As for Calais... there is a moral obligation to support refugees, and of course the UK should take its fair share.
    It may be moral to accept "refugees" but it doesn't mean we should accept them ..... we should look at our infrastructure and public services ( which is struggling to met demand as it is ) before we consider accepting any "refugees "


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    This is just wrong. I strongly recommend you read this in full before saying a single word more on migration within the EU: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/... />0012:EN:PDF
    The document doesn't appear to work
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    It may be moral to accept "refugees" but it doesn't mean we should accept them ..... we should look at our infrastructure and public services ( which is struggling to met demand as it is ) before we consider accepting any "refugees "

    The document doesn't appear to work
    How does leaving the EU or no taking a few refugees do to support our infrastructure? Surely, if we were building homes, schools and hospitals we'd be able to take in these refugees. I think you've shown pretty consistently that your disagreement with taking in refugees has nothing to do with our infrastructure.
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    Really ? I thought wasting 315 million a week was a economic disadvantage but hey-ho
    That figure isn't even accurate as £350 million a week isn't the net cost. The figure it is derived from, the annual contribution of £18 billion last year does not take into account the UK rebate (which was worth around £5 billion). The EU also spends money in the UK to the tune of £4.5 billion, leaving a net contribution of £8.5 billion.(1)

    It's also useless as a figure by itself. If economic output is higher as a result of the level of access we have in the single market, then the "cost" is exceeded by the economic benefit of membership, resulting in a net gain. The Leave camp have so far failed to demonstrate that the economic benefit of membership is less than the cost of membership, or that a future deal with the EU would reduce the cost of access by more than the loss in economic output.

    (1) Gov Figures: https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...15.pdf#page=44
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    How does leaving the EU or no taking a few refugees do to support our infrastructure? Surely, if we were building homes, schools and hospitals we'd be able to take in these refugees. I think you've shown pretty consistently that your disagreement with taking in refugees has nothing to do with our infrastructure.
    Don't you realise that their is a stain on our health service ? , Transport systems ( Now i'm not saying it's all down to immigration there are other factors such as less resources , under staffing ,) However immigration is a factor
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    Don't you realise that their is a stain on our health service ? , Transport systems ( Now i'm not saying it's all down to immigrantion
    Yes I do, it's nothing to do with immigrants though, it's to do with the fact that we aren't increasing supply anywhere near to the rate of demand.
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    It may be moral to accept "refugees" but it doesn't mean we should accept them ..... we should look at our infrastructure and public services ( which is struggling to met demand as it is ) before we consider accepting any "refugees "
    "It is moral to" is synonymous with "We should". We are struggling with our infrastructure and public services because income taxes are not high enough and military spending is too high.

    The document doesn't appear to work
    Google 'EU regulation 492/11'.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Yes I do, it's nothing to do with immigrants though, it's to do with the fact that we aren't increasing supply anywhere near to the rate of demand.
    The higher the population the more strain there is on our public services ...... Immigration is remarkably high .... some immigrants come here for benefit and health tourism with is unsustainable
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    "It is moral to" is synonymous with "We should". We are struggling with our infrastructure and public services because income taxes are not high enough and military spending is too high.



    Google 'EU regulation 492/11'.
    Read my latest reply to limeman
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    Read my latest reply to limeman
    Yess, it's just wrong. You should still read that regulation before talking more about EU immigration.
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    The higher the population the more strain there is on our public services ...... Immigration is remarkably high .... some immigrants come here for benefit and health tourism with is unsustainable
    Two things that I want to stop.

    It isn't the fault of immigration though that our infrastructure is being strained, it's under-investment. I was immigration to be cut to the ten's of thousands and I want most of it to come from the commonwealth, because there are strains on our infrastructure, but this isn't the fault of immigrants.
 
 
 
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