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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Sure, but it was expensive using methods of mining not much adapted since the 1890s and with coal power stations that were built in the 1930s. I would imagine that engineering has progressed to the point where we are able to have much more environmentally friendly power stations that use coal and also have more advanced mining methods. I'm not seriously suggesting we go back to coal rather than forward to something else but it's the long-term consequences of policy change under the Tories in the 1950s that we're now stuck with.
    Coal can't really be made much more environmentally friendly. The mislabelled "clean" coal is talked about a lot now, but in reality it is just storing the carbon dioxide that is realised upon burning in containers. This idea is popular because a) we turn our problem into next generation's problem; and b) it means massive profits for oil companies as who's got enough storage space for billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide? That's right, oil companies. Sticking it down a well can also increase the amount of oil that can be recovered, too, so they score twice. But when it all leaks out it will be tomorrow's generation that are ****ed.

    What we need is proper long term strategy. We're soon going to face massive energy problems because of decades of poor strategy and policy, and unless things change then future generations will be burdened with our CO2 (if we use "clean" coal on a large scale) and nuclear waste.
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    (Original post by Smack)
    Coal can't really be made much more environmentally friendly. The mislabelled "clean" coal is talked about a lot now, but in reality it is just storing the carbon dioxide that is realised upon burning in containers. This idea is popular because a) we turn our problem into next generation's problem; and b) it means massive profits for oil companies as who's got enough storage space for billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide? That's right, oil companies. Sticking it down a well can also increase the amount of oil that can be recovered, too, so they score twice. But when it all leaks out it will be tomorrow's generation that are ****ed.

    What we need is proper long term strategy. We're soon going to face massive energy problems because of decades of poor strategy and policy, and unless things change then future generations will be burdened with our CO2 (if we use "clean" coal on a large scale) and nuclear waste.
    Ahh. I see.
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    what do you guys make of "the big society"?
    its a great idea, just at the wrong time. It needs to be re-started when the economic climate improves.
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    its a great idea, just at the wrong time. It needs to be re-started when the economic climate improves.
    Because vulnerable people don't need a welfare state when less vulnerable people start to feel less pressure on their bank accounts? What a great ally Labour have in TSR UKIP.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Because vulnerable people don't need a welfare state when less vulnerable people start to feel less pressure on their bank accounts? What a great ally Labour have in TSR UKIP.
    all im saying is in the long run, if people can support themselves more, then the effects of a recession will be less harsh. However, now is not the time to start off the big society idea. Once the economy is stable again, then maybe it should be looked into. Welfare states do not work
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    all im saying is in the long run, if people can support themselves more, then the effects of a recession will be less harsh. However, now is not the time to start off the big society idea. Once the economy is stable again, then maybe it should be looked into. Welfare states do not work
    Oh right. So state universities, public parks, state schools, public hospitals, public roads, public refuse collections, public libraries, public museums, public archives, public swimming pools... [I could go on]. None of these work? We should just privatise the lot because "welfare states do not work". Try telling that to the Norwegians.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Oh right. So state universities, public parks, state schools, public hospitals, public roads, public refuse collections, public libraries, public museums, public archives, public swimming pools... [I could go on]. None of these work? We should just privatise the lot because "welfare states do not work". Try telling that to the Norwegians.
    some of them should be kept state owned, however i do think many could be privatised. Im talking more of the Post Office area. If a community is able to run its own branch, and the government is not, they should be encouraged to do so. We need a private sector that is much bigger than it is, to support the top heavy public sector, which needs to be cut and forced to work. And the Norwegians are much more capable of running their country, than the previous labour government was
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    We're not going to be mass privatising, just to be clear Adorno
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    some of them should be kept state owned, however i do think many could be privatised. Im talking more of the Post Office area. If a community is able to run its own branch, and the government is not, they should be encouraged to do so. We need a private sector that is much bigger than it is, to support the top heavy public sector, which needs to be cut and forced to work. And the Norwegians are much more capable of running their country, than the previous labour government was
    Well whenever you fancy a kickabout in the Coca-Cola recreation centre, let me know. Till then the public park will do me just fine.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Well whenever you fancy a kickabout in the Coca-Cola recreation centre, let me know. Till then the public park will do me just fine.
    i will do! Whenever you want a game in the run down public park, gimme a call
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    i will do! Whenever you want a game in the run down public park, gimme a call
    Sorry, I don't fraternise with the enemy.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    We're not going to be mass privatising, just to be clear Adorno
    But your Allies seem to think that's what's going to happen.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    But your Allies seem to think that's what's going to happen.
    My allies will have to make compromises, as will we.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    But your Allies seem to think that's what's going to happen.
    im not an ally...
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    My allies will have to make compromises, as will we.
    The measly UKIP votes are more fundamental than the several more socialist ones? You have funny ideas about compromises.
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    im not an ally...
    You are part of the Banana coalition, this makes you an ally however temporary that situation may be.
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    Moleman left UKIP to join The Nasty Party
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    Mass privatisation is not something that is on the government's agenda. Moleman1996 is not a member of the government and thus does not represent the government's views. Although if Coca Cola (or any other company for that matter) wishes to open their own recreation park then they are free to do so. If it is particularly nice and the other recreation parks are particularly run down, they may even make a bit of money from it.
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    Moleman left UKIP to join The Nasty Party
    I converted to the dark side, they have cookies....
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    The measly UKIP votes are more fundamental than the several more socialist ones? You have funny ideas about compromises.
    Not really comparable, but there are three centrist parties in coalition with us. Votes wise we win but that's not the only factor there is.
    (Original post by Adorno)
    You are part of the Banana coalition, this makes you an ally however temporary that situation may be.
    Actually he's moved to the Tories in the last hour or so.
 
 
 
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