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    (Original post by Aquaxo)
    Yep! Although, I'm not going there :-)



    The university itself is still pretty young. But that's not really that important. The improvement of a reputation is a continuous processes - over the space of a few years it is likely for unis to swap places a little, and as such, the difference between Durham and Bristol becomes less strict (assuming they both remain at the top). That's the main point of the post.

    I would not say that people walk into the job they want 2 or 3 years after enrolment - it is pretty common for people to be trained at one law firm and move on to more prestigious ones later on. Degree classification and university are relevant here.

    I'm not really sure debating this is important or relevant to the original poster - I wish them the best of luck with making a decision and encourage them to ignore any strict obsession over university ranking if that doesn't point to university they love the most x
    You're assuming here that universities are ranked in strict numbers, from 1 to 100 (like rankings, that is). That is not the case - universities, in terms of reputation, belong to brackets. If Manchester is, say 13th in the country, and York 15th, York getting better than the former and becoming the new 13th doesn't mean it will be viewed as such from a reputation point of view [unis and rankings are totally random btw].

    Relevant in what way? Much more will depend on your time at the first firm.

    And I do agree.
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    (Original post by *Stefan*)
    You're assuming here that universities are ranked in strict numbers, from 1 to 100 (like rankings, that is). That is not the case - universities, in terms of reputation, belong to brackets. If Manchester is, say 13th in the country, and York 15th, York getting better than the former and becoming the new 13th doesn't mean it will be viewed as such from a reputation point of view [unis and rankings are totally random btw].

    Relevant in what way? Much more will depend on your time at the first firm.

    And I do agree.
    True - and I regard Durham and Bristol to be in the same bracket! :-) Employers may split up said 'brackets' into sub groups to distinguish between unis. It is extremely unlikely that unis will retain their relative positions for years to come, obviously.

    Of course, experience > degree for a lot of people - but that doesn't take away from the fact that your degree matters a lot.

    Anyway, onto a more interesting topic - have you applied for 2016 entry? :-)
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    True - and I regard Durham and Bristol to be in the same bracket! :-) Employers may split up said 'brackets' into sub groups to distinguish between unis. It is extremely unlikely that unis will retain their relative positions for years to come, obviously.

    Of course, experience > degree for a lot of people - but that doesn't take away from the fact that your degree matters a lot.

    Anyway, onto a more interesting topic - have you applied for 2016 entry? :-)
    Apart from perhaps IB, employers will not make further "sub-groups". An employer will never say "Oh, let's pick him because he went to Nottingham while the other one went to Durham". Never.

    It does before getting a training contract (or equivalent). Its importance fades drastically thereafter.

    Nope, I'm a first year student. Where are you heading if I may ask?
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    Apart from perhaps IB, employers will not make further "sub-groups". An employer will never say "Oh, let's pick him because he went to Nottingham while the other one went to Durham". Never.

    It does before getting a training contract (or equivalent). Its importance fades drastically thereafter.

    Nope, I'm a first year student. Where are you heading if I may ask?
    You sure do make a lot of definitive statements!

    If I get the grades I should be going to Oxford. Where are you currently at? :-)
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    (Original post by *Stefan*)
    Apart from perhaps IB, employers will not make further "sub-groups". An employer will never say "Oh, let's pick him because he went to Nottingham while the other one went to Durham". Never.

    It does before getting a training contract (or equivalent). Its importance fades drastically thereafter.

    Nope, I'm a first year student. Where are you heading if I may ask?
    I'd argue that it's the same for front office IB: after you're in the gig, the prestige of your institution takes a back seat and your results and ability to win deals/make money/do good work are more important.

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    I'd argue that it's the same for front office IB: after you're in the gig, the prestige of your institution takes a back seat and your results and ability to win deals/make money/do good work are more important.

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    Absolutely. Not obsessing over prestige was the point of my original post
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    (Original post by Aquaxo)
    You sure do make a lot of definitive statements!

    If I get the grades I should be going to Oxford. Where are you currently at? :-)
    That's because I've asked graduate recruitment members directly - I've even done a practice recruitment task at Shearman and Sterling - we were given three actual applications, one from LSE, one from Bristol and one from Oxford. They literally didn't even refer to the university. The first one was rejected because his answers were "one-liners" (and he didn't get AAB), the second because he got 47 in two modules and was out of topic in one answer, and the third was invited to interview because his answers and grades were truly good. If the answers were swapped between Oxford and LSE (and assuming the latter had gotten AAB), the university name would not make any difference, despite it having a better reputation. University name is just one phrase in a very long application form.

    Obviously this doesn't mean that no employer EVER makes sub-categories - it's just that most will not.


    I'm at Bristol, and best of luck
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    I'd argue that it's the same for front office IB: after you're in the gig, the prestige of your institution takes a back seat and your results and ability to win deals/make money/do good work are more important.

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    I was referring to the application stage, but I definitely agree on that.
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    (Original post by *Stefan*)
    That's because I've asked graduate recruitment members directly - I've even done a practice recruitment task at Shearman and Sterling - we were given three actual applications, one from LSE, one from Bristol and one from Oxford. They literally didn't even refer to the university. The first one was rejected because his answers were "one-liners" (and he didn't get AAB), the second because he got 47 in two modules and was out of topic in one answer, and the third was invited to interview because his answers and grades were truly good. If the answers were swapped between Oxford and LSE (and assuming the latter had gotten AAB), the university name would not make any difference, despite it having a better reputation. University name is just one phrase in a very long application form.

    Obviously this doesn't mean that no employer EVER makes sub-categories - it's just that most will not.


    I'm at Bristol, and best of luck
    I am pretty sure we are in agreement in this? (although 3 is not a very large sample size )

    OP: Durham or Bristol, whatever - just make sure you make the most of wherever you go.

    And to you
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    (Original post by Aquaxo)
    I am pretty sure we are in agreement in this? (although 3 is not a very large sample size )

    OP: Durham or Bristol, whatever - just make sure you make the most of wherever you go.

    And to you
    Was only backing up my "definitive point" :P

    It isn't large, but it is representative

    And let me conclude this by agreeing with you
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    (Original post by *Stefan*)
    Was only backing up me "definitive point" :P

    It isn't large, but it is representative

    And let me conclude this by agreeing with you
    Well, with your argumentative streak and articulation I'm sure you'll go far
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    (Original post by Aquaxo)
    Well, with your argumentative streak and articulation I'm sure you'll go far
    Hope you're not mocking the "me"
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    (Original post by *Stefan*)
    Hope you're not mocking the "me"
    I actually wasn't - it is 3am after all
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    I actually wasn't - it is 3am after all
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    Anyone got opinions on Nottingham v Warwick?
    The only thing I have to go on now are that Nottingham are 41st for Law in QS World Rankings and are generally better for law, but Warwick is a generally better uni and are only 10 places behind...
    I have the same offer AAA offer for both.
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    (Original post by Aquaxo)
    It doesn't have to be that way at all! Choose the university you prefer and have a think about the course content, the employment prospects but most importantly how you feel at each uni. Hopefully you will have an epiphany soon! :-) x



    Personally I would go for Durham but I really don't think there is much in it. Have you thought about making a spreadsheet to compare the pros and cons of each? (Spreadsheets solve all of life's problems)

    Remember that by the time you come to apply for training contracts/pupilage (if you go down that road) the relative reputations of unis is likely to have changed somewhat, so go for the one that excites you the most and it will all fall into place. Good luck :-) x
    Thank you. What would your reasons be for choosing Durham over Bristol.

    Good luck to you as well
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    (Original post by liviward36)
    Anyone got opinions on Nottingham v Warwick?
    The only thing I have to go on now are that Nottingham are 41st for Law in QS World Rankings and are generally better for law, but Warwick is a generally better uni and are only 10 places behind...
    I have the same offer AAA offer for both.
    They're in the same bracket (prestige wise and career prospects wise) - rankings are basically meaningless to make a final decision.

    Which set of modules do you prefer? Environment? Campus differences? Study Abroad? Societies available? Location differences?

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    Thank you. What would your reasons be for choosing Durham over Bristol.

    Good luck to you as well
    No problem, I replied to your private message but will copy and paste the link I sent to you for everyone else on the thread to see :-)

    This is a really useful report on which universities secure places within law firms. Obviously it's only statistics and shouldn't be used in isolation to make any decisions, but it's pretty cool nonetheless.

    http://www.chambersstudent.co.uk/whe...d-universities
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    No problem, I replied to your private message but will copy and paste the link I sent to you for everyone else on the thread to see :-)

    This is a really useful report on which universities secure places within law firms. Obviously it's only statistics and shouldn't be used in isolation to make any decisions, but it's pretty cool nonetheless.

    http://www.chambersstudent.co.uk/whe...d-universities
    Thank you! I'll make sure to look at it.
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    They're in the same bracket (prestige wise and career prospects wise) - rankings are basically meaningless to make a final decision.

    Which set of modules do you prefer? Environment? Campus differences? Study Abroad? Societies available? Location differences?

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    ahhh i need someone to make the decision for me! :laugh:

    havent even bothered to look at modules cause there's only so much variation in law degrees. Everything else is more or less equal!
 
 
 
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