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(Original post by Howard)
I love this. Say something really objectionable on TSR, kick back, and watch everybody chimp out.

It's the forum equivalent of farting in an elevator.
Whereas your comment about "Obongo" was really contributary to the debate?
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Well it would certainly be one over on the US, wouldn't it? "HEY YOU, OUR LEADER IS TWO MINORITIES ROLLED INTO ONE"*
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That's true it's more cultural and religous than race as some pakistanis could say pass for 'spanish/italian' but the culture is different which doesn't represent the country. But haven't a lot of black people totally adopted British culture/ ideology/ religion which is indigenous to this country than arabs/persians/central Asians who have strongly held on to there culture and not integrated. So in that case a black pm
would be 'tolerable', unless identification is to do with how similar you look to someone?
I just read your earlier post, where you made a similar argument to 'Pandaboo', and I agree. It's more about feeling that someone is completely invested in British ancestry and values than what colour their skin is. Yeah, perhaps people would be more likely to accept a Black PM, because there is a stereotype that Black people are not deeply religious, whereas Asians and Middle Easterns are.

Accepting someone because of how similar they look to you is an interesting psychological/ anthropological question, actually. Perhaps some ancient tribal instinct exists in us that makes us automatically trust others from our own race more.
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(Original post by dukeofgrove)
Im not shocked and its confirmed my suspicions that we wont have a primeminister from an ethnic minority for at least 30 years if ever.

Although statisticly about 90% of the country is white so its not necesarily rasicm just look if we ever have one.

Yes, there will be a 'ever' because change is inevitable. I was shocked by the 'intelligent' people of TSR from private ed who are possible future leaders of our country :eek3: .

Oops, did I say racism:p: ; I meant colorism. The latter I believe exists.
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No need to chimp out.
Chimp out?!? Ohh WOW.. F*** YOU! What an idiot. I'm too tired to be bothered to say anything useful and productive to you so i'll leave with what I think of you - C U Next Tuesday
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Whilst it's nice that we pretend to be tolerant and all that fact is many in the country (talking mainly about the older generations) would probably be uncomfortable with it.

I discussed it with my grandparents once and they basically said they outright wouldn't vote for a party with such a leader, their neighbour agreed too. Whilst it may seem nonsensical, fact is there are many (older people in particular) who feel this way.
Same with me. My Grandad said once that he wouldn't tolerate Black people living next door, and I used to have massive arguments with him about his views, but the majority of the older generation who feel this way are so set in their ways, and often so ignorant, that there's no point in trying to be rational with them. Our parents' generation (the Swinging Sixties/ Seventies and all) were the first to really embrace multiracialism, and I think people are going to become more accepting of and less distrustful of other races with every generation.

I live in an extremely rural area, made up of mainly White farmers and villagers, and when I go to London and travel on the underground I'm often amazed by how many races live together in one area, and how accepting those people are of eachother compared to ignorant, bigoted people like my Grandfather.
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(Original post by jannike)
I just read your earlier post, where you made a similar argument to 'Pandaboo', and I agree. It's more about feeling that someone is completely invested in British ancestry and values than what colour their skin is. Yeah, perhaps people would be more likely to accept a Black PM, because there is a stereotype that Black people are not deeply religious, whereas Asians and Middle Easterns are.

Accepting someone because of how similar they look to you is an interesting psychological/ anthropological question, actually. Perhaps some ancient tribal instinct exists in us that makes us automatically trust others from our own race more.
I agree, Im sure nick clegg would know he did study social anthropology at Cambridge. For example, take my extended family it's Pakistani but we all look so different- some look 'white-european', 'persian', 'arab', 'indian' and 'meditaranean' although we pretty much would have similar DNA and have the same culture. But skin colour, features, eye-colour, hair type, height and build are really diverse.
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You clearly missed the joke.
Where was the humour?
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Who cares if she is black? She is a woman .
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(Original post by Singh_2)
I wouldn't vote for her because she's a woman, not because she's black.
What's wrong with women!

Although I do agree men usually wear the pants in the family a woman prime minister would be the same as the woman being the father of Britain.

We all already know that;
+woman are more emotional
+choices are generally based on feelings(womans intuition)
+cannot make tough choices(army/terrorism)
+Greatly influenced by criticism(women being more self-concerned)

These qualities would hinder a woman from being chosen as a Prime minister however a black prime minister does not apply to these 'weaknesses' and would therefore be far more likely.

Why is it always black/white prime minister dilemma what about a Asian prime minister? or Cantonese prime minister?
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OMG it's one thing if your a woman going into parliament - (because of the example Maggie set - cow) but its another thing entirely if your a BLACK woman going into parliament. HA. Britain would rather face Hitler again than vote a black woman PM. LOOOOOOL. Dont get me wrong if her policies are good then i would love for her to become PM but come on....Never going to happen.
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(Original post by jannike)
I think people would be more worried about religion than race. I think most people would accept a non-religious person of Asian parentage as Prime Minister, but a Muslim candidate would probably be less popular. To be honest, I wouldn't feel completely comfortable with a Muslim prime minister, or one overtly belonging to any other religion for that matter, because I think politics in this country shouldn't be mixed with religious belief.

Good point and I agree with you on keeping religion out of politics.
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I'd love to see a black PM, but I hope to god it's someone competent. Read: Not Diane Abbott.
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look out for this guy.. more likely

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...for-britain.do
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(Original post by Markh1000)
Whereas your comment about "Obongo" was really contributary to the debate?
I was talking about my comment. Not very quick are you?
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I am an American, so I can't speak directly about Britain. However, I think, in general, people focus too much on race. For example, with Obama, I realize it was historic and reason for many people to celebrate. However, I wish that our history was different. I wish our history had happened so that it wasn't historic because race didn't matter. I'm afraid many people my age (college students) mostly voted for Obama because it was the cool thing to do. I'm afraid many may have voted for him because of his race. Granted, that's not any worse than voting against him because of his race. But, bottom line, I wish it didn't matter.

I think people like to vote for someone like them. For example, citizens vote for a candidate that shares their values and ideals. That's fine. However, I think a lot of people vote on somebody (or vote against them) based on whether or not that candidate looks like them.

I can't speak for Britain directly, but I think people have this instinct to vote for someone like them. If that does change, it'll be a fairly gradual one. Racism and sexism is something that should disgust us, but at the same time, it's fairly common, even if people don't verbalize it.

I hope some day race and sex of a candidate don't matter, but I doubt that day comes for a long time. Whether the racism and sexism is for or against a candidate, I don't think it's right either way, and I hope some day race and sex don't matter. People should vote for the best candidate (in any election).
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(Original post by Chocothunder)
Pffffffft, a woman prime minister?! That'll be the day... :rolleyes:
You're joking right? (Margret Thatcher)
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Britain would yes... Maybe not her though
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(Original post by jannike)
I just read your earlier post, where you made a similar argument to 'Pandaboo', and I agree. It's more about feeling that someone is completely invested in British ancestry and values than what colour their skin is. Yeah, perhaps people would be more likely to accept a Black PM, because there is a stereotype that Black people are not deeply religious, whereas Asians and Middle Easterns are.

Accepting someone because of how similar they look to you is an interesting psychological/ anthropological question, actually. Perhaps some ancient tribal instinct exists in us that makes us automatically trust others from our own race more.
This could never be more inaccurate...
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(Original post by Asha5692)
This could never be more inaccurate...
Do you mean to say that this stereotype does not exist, or that there is a stereotype but it's inacurate?
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