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  • View Poll Results: Are you pleased that EMA has been scrapped?
    Yes, it wasn't fair on the middle classes and was used innapropriately!
    41.03%
    Yes, we can no longer afford it!
    14.81%
    I am indifferent
    4.27%
    No, we can still afford it!
    2.28%
    No, poorer students relied upon it and it encouraged social mobility!
    37.61%

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    (Original post by im so academic)
    It's not the taxpayers' responsibility.
    It's our responsibility as humans to be compassionate.
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      (Original post by Kenocide)
      Speaking as someone who gets EMA (and just escapes before it's scrapped) I'd say I'm well placed to give a neutral evaluation of EMA, at my school in any case.
      Not really since you received it.

      For me, it's a godsend.
      No **** Sherlock. Of course "free" money is a godsend.

      I genuinely use most of it to pay for stuff related to my education and would struggle without it. I also have a job, but I still have very little money left over because, like some others who get EMA, I have to pay for everything myself apart from the bare essentials like food, bills, etc.
      EMA was not introduced to help "pay the bills".

      But I'll also admit that I did use some of it for what you might call social activities - but only to the extent that would allow me to socialise at the minimum level, if that makes sense.
      This is not the taxpayers' responsibility. Perhaps you would have more money left over if you didn't go out and "socialise". If you can't afford it, tough. There's also socialising for free - but no, it's about clubbing these days. :rolleyes:

      However, I get more narked than most about how the system gets abused. The number of people I know who get EMA because Daddy has his own business and likes to fiddle the books... It does my tree in because it influences everyone else's opinion of people who get EMA - we all get branded the same, just like people on benefits.
      How hypocritical of you. You yourself is abusing the system as you spend it on social activities. That is not the purpose of EMA. How the hell does that maintain your education?

      Essentially, I think justifying scrapping it purely based on the notion that the system gets abused is disgraceful - it's a minority of people, as always, in my experience and to take this lifeline away from people who genuinely need it is tough for me to stomach knowing how much it's helped me out.
      Minority, majority - the fact that it can be easily abused and the system tolerates it warrants for the full scrappage of the system.
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        (Original post by lechaton-x)
        It's our responsibility as humans to be compassionate.
        Not when we've got a financial deficit to get rid of. And how is throwing money at the working classes "compassionate"?

        What about the low-income taxpayers who are paying tax for this system? It's hardly compassionate to them.
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        (Original post by im so academic)
        Jesus Christ, it's already free - you don't have to pay to go to sixth form. The "poorer families" can't get everything for free.

        Either:
        *Get a part-time job
        *Find some other ways of earning money
        *Make some financial sacrifices

        Perhaps that means purchasing less clothes, using a cheaper mobile phone, cancelling your Sky subscription. If you aren't prepared to lose these and other inessentials, well it begs the question, how much do you value your education?
        Sixth form is free, you are right.
        However for a lot of people, going to sixth form is more expensive than going to school. One main reason is simply travel costs. A lot of sixth forms / colleges are further away than the local school is. Plus when you are in sixth form you have to pay adult fares on public transport.

        You really seem very naive. There are people who need things like EMA that don't have a phone contract or sky. And as I said before, getting a job isn't as easy as people seem to think. It depends hugely on where you live.

        (Original post by im so academic)
        It's not the taxpayers' responsibility.
        Its also in the taxpayers interest to help educate its children.

        (Original post by Katt-x)
        I'm hapy it's being scrapped, it was a stupid concept. In most situations, the only people to get it were those living with one parent
        Total rubbish!
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        (Original post by im so academic)
        Not really since you received it.



        No **** Sherlock. Of course "free" money is a godsend.



        EMA was not introduced to help "pay the bills".



        This is not the taxpayers' responsibility. Perhaps you would have more money left over if you didn't go out and "socialise". If you can't afford it, tough. There's also socialising for free - but no, it's about clubbing these days. :rolleyes:



        How hypocritical of you. You yourself is abusing the system as you spend it on social activities. That is not the purpose of EMA. How the hell does that maintain your education?



        Minority, majority - the fact that it can be easily abused and the system tolerates it warrants for the full scrappage of the system.
        You don't understand. EMA is of course meant to, as you say, 'maintain education.' But it's to be maintained without sacrificing the living of a life to do it. You're reading it too literally. Otherwise, please do explain how £30 would be spent every week on nothing other than school.

        P.S: I'm not even going to re-quote and correct all of your horrendous assumptions and misinterpretations. I'll let it slide if you simply respond to the above without spitting your dummy out.
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          (Original post by im so academic)
          EMA was not introduced to help "pay the bills".
          A maintenance grant/allowance is used for maintenance. Obvious word is obvious.
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          (Original post by im so academic)
          Not when we've got a financial deficit to get rid of. And how is throwing money at the working classes "compassionate"?

          What about the low-income taxpayers who are paying tax for this system? It's hardly compassionate to them.
          The entire capitalist system is unfair, removing benefits the working class recieve will not bring justice to any one but will disadvantage more people then previous.

          the situation is low income tax payers struggle wether or not EMA stays or goes
          however they will still struggle as will the working class if it is scrapped.
          ofcourse not every working class person uses it to stop themselves struggling..
          Nor am I saying that the working class should be looked after because there working class.. Just that causing additional people to struggle will not benefit anyone. It may help bring us out of the financial issues though as you rightly pointed out.
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          (Original post by im so academic)
          EMA was not introduced to help "pay the bills".
          So you suggest that people go without electricity or heat even though they have money from EMA :rolleyes:
          I think its a sad fact that some people on EMA need to use it to pay the bills.

          (Original post by im so academic)
          Minority, majority - the fact that it can be easily abused and the system tolerates it warrants for the full scrappage of the system.
          But any system can be easily abused. I can quite easily travel from home to my girlfriends on the train without paying thus saving £30 (I don't do that btw). So that system is easily abused. Doesn't mean it should be scrapped. It means it should be changed.
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            (Original post by WelshBluebird)
            Sixth form is free, you are right.
            However for a lot of people, going to sixth form is more expensive than going to school. One main reason is simply travel costs. A lot of sixth forms / colleges are further away than the local school is. Plus when you are in sixth form you have to pay adult fares on public transport.
            That's not an argument for keeping the EMA system, that's an argument for subsidised travel costs - which is less abusable than cash-in-hand. In addition, if there are instances where subsidised travel is misused (apparently this happens) - it stops.

            You really seem very naive. There are people who need things like EMA that don't have a phone contract or sky. And as I said before, getting a job isn't as easy as people seem to think. It depends hugely on where you live.
            Tough - there are other ways of reducing the amount of expenditure/earning money.

            Its also in the taxpayers interest to help educate its children.
            By throwing taxpayers' money at them?! You still get a free education, so the taxpayers' interest in helping educating its children is covered.
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            yeah i do agree with it.
            those that need it for travelling expenses to get to college should get vouchers.
            majority of colleges have an enrollment system, where you pay a £25 book deposit as books for studying are provided, so they dont need to use the £10-£30 a week on books.

            I dont really know what else the government expected them to spend it on.
            you dont need extra money to buy parker pens, just use a biro
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              (Original post by Kenocide)
              You don't understand. EMA is of course meant to, as you say, 'maintain education.' But it's to be maintained without sacrificing the living of a life to do it. You're reading it too literally. Otherwise, please do explain how £30 would be spent every week on nothing other than school.
              Maintain education = travel, food, stationary, books at the most.

              "Sacrificing the living of a life" - oh please, this isn't a war-stricken country. This is Britain. You can "have a life" (please define this) without spending taxpayers' money. If not, tough, you don't "have a life". What's more important to you - education or ****ing about?

              By asking that question "how £30 should be spent on nothing other than school", you DIRECTLY saying it's too much.

              EMA should not be used for concert tickets, alcohol, cannabis, expensive clothing, magazines etc etc.

              Thank God it's scrapped.
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              (Original post by im so academic)
              That's not an argument for keeping the EMA system, that's an argument for subsidised travel costs - which is less abusable than cash-in-hand. In addition, if there are instances where subsidised travel is misused (apparently this happens) - it stops.
              If you actually read what I have posted, I have suggested replacing it with free travel passes and the like.

              (Original post by im so academic)
              Tough - there are other ways of reducing the amount of expenditure/earning money.

              By throwing taxpayers' money at them?! You still get a free education, so the taxpayers' interest in helping educating its children is covered.
              1 - like what?
              2 - No, by making sure they can continue in education. Believe it or not, if it wasn't for EMA, there would be an awful lot of clever kids who could not afford to stay in education.

              edit - and thanks for the neg rep btw. I'm sure you'd love to see poor kids not be able to carry on it education because they cannot afford it :rolleyes:
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                (Original post by Stricof)
                A maintenance grant/allowance is used for maintenance. Obvious word is obvious.
                That's not maintaining education, that's paying for the bloody house bills. EMA is not supposed to be used specifically to pay the bills.

                Who the **** paid the bills since you were born up until 16? Why does this change as soon as you start AS levels?
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                  (Original post by WelshBluebird)
                  So you suggest that people go without electricity or heat even though they have money from EMA :rolleyes:
                  I think its a sad fact that some people on EMA need to use it to pay the bills.
                  Who paid for the electricity/heat prior sixth form? Why does this suddenly change?

                  But any system can be easily abused. I can quite easily travel from home to my girlfriends on the train without paying thus saving £30 (I don't do that btw). So that system is easily abused. Doesn't mean it should be scrapped. It means it should be changed.
                  Girlfriends?

                  But anyways, well, let that be on your god-damn conscience if you have one. Taking advantage of the transport system like that.

                  But the fact is, you are taking advantage of a service, as opposed to abusing cash-in-hand taxpayers' money.
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                  (Original post by WelshBluebird)
                  Believe it or not, if it wasn't for EMA, there would be an awful lot of clever kids who could not afford to stay in education.
                  People could find a way. Part time job? My parents didn't want me to do sixth form... they wanted me to go out and get a full time job. But I chose to stay on at school, and so now have to pay for everything to do with my education. I don't get EMA, so my part time job pays for me to stay in education. Surely all these clever kids could get jobs too?
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                    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
                    If you actually read what I have posted, I have suggested replacing it with free travel passes and the like.
                    Didn't make it obvious enough. But if that is what you are proposing - then fair enough.

                    1 - like what?
                    2 - No, by making sure they can continue in education. Believe it or not, if it wasn't for EMA, there would be an awful lot of clever kids who could not afford to stay in education.

                    edit - and thanks for the neg rep btw. I'm sure you'd love to see poor kids not be able to carry on it education because they cannot afford it :rolleyes:
                    Anything that it is not necessary - sell or don't use them again. Or purchase cheaper versions of stuff.

                    EVERYONE can afford education as it is ****ing free. God you can't expect everything to be free.

                    Get some part-time work, even just for a few hours each weekend. In addition, what about the extended holidays after GCSEs? PLENTY of time to work for earning money as opposed to losing one's virginities as it is now legal. :rolleyes:
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                    (Original post by im so academic)
                    Who paid for the electricity/heat prior sixth form? Why does this suddenly change?

                    Girlfriends?

                    But anyways, well, let that be on your god-damn conscience if you have one. Taking advantage of the transport system like that.

                    But the fact is, you are taking advantage of a service, as opposed to abusing cash-in-hand taxpayers' money.
                    Does it really bloody matter? The fact is people in that position clearly need support. I it wasn't for EMA, kids in that situation would have to get a full time job to help pay the bills, thus stopping them from carrying on in education.

                    I think its obvious I meant to say "girlfriend's".

                    And as I said, I don't do it. But I easily could.
                    And as public transport is partly funded by the taxpayer, what is the difference?

                    (Original post by im so academic)
                    EVERYONE can afford education as it is ****ing free. God you can't expect everything to be free.

                    Get some part-time work, even just for a few hours each weekend. In addition, what about the extended holidays after GCSEs? PLENTY of time to work for earning money as opposed to losing one's virginities as it is now legal. :rolleyes:
                    The education itself is free.
                    But travel is not free. (and is often more expensive than during the GCSE years and below).
                    Books are not free. (again a greater cost than before A level as usually books are handed out by the school then).
                    Stationary is not free.
                    School trips / field trips that will benefit the students study are not free.
                    Travel to university open days is not free.

                    And as I said, you say get a job as if its something that is easy to do. It is not easy to get a job right now. It is very very difficult. Most people cannot simply magic a job out of thin air.
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                    Not all people abuse their EMA. I have it and it is the only source of income I have (I live with my mum who doesn't work and 3 other siblings). And I use it for educational purposes, as well as for other things. But I also agree that free transport and books should be given out instead, since they are gonna scrap it. Otherwise, I don't know how my brother is going to cope financially when he goes to college next year (although I do have a small sense of satisfaction saying to him, "Ha, ha! You won't get EMA next year!)
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                    I'm all for accessible education, but I don't think the government giving students pocket money was the right way to go about it. Free bus passes, vouchers for textbooks and supplies would have been better.
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                    (Original post by Katt-x)
                    People could find a way. Part time job? My parents didn't want me to do sixth form... they wanted me to go out and get a full time job. But I chose to stay on at school, and so now have to pay for everything to do with my education. I don't get EMA, so my part time job pays for me to stay in education. Surely all these clever kids could get jobs too?
                    People can't just get jobs straight away.
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                    I'd love for those who are so against the EMA system to be in our shoes, because the majority of them have it all served on a ****ing silver platter to them and don't realise that some of us actually NEED it.
                   
                   
                   
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