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    (Original post by EggmanD)
    What im saying is this democratic system we have is a relic of the past and something that future generations will consider a huge joke, much like an archeologist finding a square wheel.

    It is a terrible system and the sad thing is people only look to the past saying 'OH its better than Marxism! or some other equally stupid comparision with another useless system.

    Bottom line is; we need something new, something logical and something fair which is not what this current system is or what any other ancient system will ever be.
    You are a very intelligent dude. Like am saying they have made us believe that Marxism is communism and we all know communism failed. Namely, the Soviet Union and none of us wish to live as they did. However, the real essence of Marxism was socialism and this can be found in the true democracy found in ancient Athens. I do believe we have evolved more morally since 5 bc; such as eventually giving women the vote and abolishing slavery but the current system is regressive we are in effect wage slaves.

    We need real democracy where we can vote on key issues what we have now is just a more sophisticated version of communism where our lives is dictated for us and social order is maintained through a false sense of individual influence; in the vote system and free speech.
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    They may not be 'human' in your eyes, but at least they're honest! The Conservatives have been the most consistent in terms of carrying out their manifesto, albeit not completely due to the coalition. Lib Dems just lied their asses to power - "Oh we will abolish student fees". University isn't free and asking the student to contribute is the only fair way of relieving the burden on taxpayers. They were talking ****. The only way student fees will be free is if we cut places and close crappy unis. Labour are now disagreeing with everything and anything the Conservtive Party says in order to score some political points in the Commons because they lost, even going back on what they said when they were in power. HYPOCRITES. Also, people are forgetting that it was New Labour who started this whole fees malarkey.
    When you assume power it behooves you to end (as opposed to enhancing) policies you oppose, campaign against or attempt to cite.

    The Lib. Dems. don't exist AFAIAC. There is only one party in power; it is surreptitious and pervades the political spectrum. Conservative is perhaps an"honest" name for it, but it's more than just that. It is evil.
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    Is this guy for real? Over 10m people voted for the Tories - 2m more than Labour and millions more than anyother party BASED on cuts and an increase in tuition fees. The only undemocratic thing here is yobs wanting to smash **** up because they don't like having to pay a bit more for their 2:2s in media studies
    I agree with what you say, in a way, maybe not so violently though. Anyway, the majority of the swing voters voted Tory due to the fact they wanted change from a Labour government. I guess they got it. But they were ignorant about who they voted for if they didn't realise the Tory's would do this, because it was in their manifesto..

    It's slightly undemocratic though.. the people who are going to be affected the most by this bill were not old enough to vote for the party that implemented it..
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    Let's try one more time in-spite of all subtle shilling.





    Two million people attended an anti war rally protesting policies of the last government.


    TWO MILLION.


    Where was this "small minority of anarchists" (blamed now by the Conservative Party) who hijack mass protests in order to inflict arbitrary damage on the political infrastructure?

    Where were they?



    Can you explain why there have been four violent protests within the first year of the present administration?
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    (Original post by Gimme More)
    Unless resources are infinite there will always be winners and losers under the law of survival of the fittest.

    It is therefore illogical to promote self sufficiency as a means of ameliorating universal standards of living.
    The basic economic problem is a huge one. However, with a better form of democracy, I believe that finance and economic goods will be better distributed.
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    Don't you think it would help if they represented people instead of demons?
    They're representatives, not delegates. A constituency might be a single entity but the people within it aren't, hence why discretion is used. Have you never heard of JS Mill?
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    They're representatives, not delegates. A constituency might be a single entity but the people within it aren't, hence why discretion is used. Have you never heard of JS Mill?
    Go on! . . .
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    (Original post by Gimme More)
    I just watched a live Q and A session with the Home Secretary, Teresa May, making statements about the student protests and have to say I am stunned by the display of illogical emotion I witnessed.

    Apart from perhaps two MPs - not one person stated, addressed or asked why these protests have taken place.

    I overestimated these individuals' propensities for compassion. I don't even know where to start to describe what I mean. It is as though these people believe they are legitimate representatives of the people, having the mandate of the people, even after they've been shown that nothing can be further from the truth!

    The argument being put forward is that a hard core of violent activists infiltrated peaceful protests in order to perpetrate criminal acts! I mean, what kind of mentality would rationalize things in this way?

    This so called hard core of trouble makers exists? Where are they then? What makes them suddenly appear? Where were they during the Blair/Brown years? According to the Tories, and even if you ask me, I'd say there was plenty of reason for angry protest under the last government, and yet we did not see this level of animosity.

    Teresa.

    You need to ask yourself a simple question.

    Why is this happening?
    they're Vulcans, they got no emotions
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    I half expected this thread to be Teveth having another rant.
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    (Original post by Yawza)
    The basic economic problem is a huge one. However, with a better form of democracy, I believe that finance and economic goods will be better distributed.
    Democracy itself is the root cause of the problem.
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    (Original post by Gimme More)
    When you assume power it behooves you to end (as opposed to enhancing) policies you oppose, campaign against or attempt to cite.

    The Lib. Dems. don't exist AFAIAC. There is only one party in power; it is surreptitious and pervades the political spectrum. Conservative is perhaps an"honest" name for it, but it's more than just that. It is evil.
    Just because you don't agree with a party does not make it evil, unless they start persecuting (oh you know who I'm taking about when I mean evil party). It's a very harsh term. You disagree with their ideology, yeah okay, understandable, but what have they done that's evil? They've raised student fees - fair enough, the universities needed the money and it's not fair to ask someone on £15k a year to pay some extra tax so you can benefit from higher education. They've cut EMA - TBH most people I know don't actually need it, me included. I mostly use it to buy books to pay for driving lessons and feed my unhealthy shopping habit They've made cuts. Some might not agree with them, but they haven't been elected to be representatives, not lapdogs, of their constutuencies. So what from those few examples are evil? The Conservatives have not restricted your free will, they aren't physically stoppng people from going to uni or telling them to find jobs instead of doing A-Levels, people are making their own choices.
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    The main quarrel I have with that lot in the home office ,is they need to stop talking about deploying water cannon against the soap dodgers but just do it. Maybe they could put some soap in it,to give them all a wash.

    Personally I think after the attack on the prince, they should have deployed plastic bullets as well as armoured personnel carriers and made a few examples,by dragging them into courts battered and bleeding and giving them say 15 yrs each. That would stop all this trouble. I mean , surely those who did attack the prince , should be chopped up and have their body parts scattered around london? If not why not?
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    (Original post by yahyahyahs)
    Just because you don't agree with a party does not make it evil, unless they start persecuting (oh you know who I'm taking about when I mean evil party). It's a very harsh term. You disagree with their ideology, yeah okay, understandable, but what have they done that's evil? They've raised student fees - fair enough, the universities needed the money and it's not fair to ask someone on £15k a year to pay some extra tax so you can benefit from higher education. They've cut EMA - TBH most people I know don't actually need it, me included. I mostly use it to buy books to pay for driving lessons and feed my unhealthy shopping habit They've made cuts. Some might not agree with them, but they haven't been elected to be representatives, not lapdogs, of their constutuencies. So what from those few examples are evil? The Conservatives have not restricted your free will, they aren't physically stoppng people from going to uni or telling them to find jobs instead of doing A-Levels, people are making their own choices.
    First of all, the Conservative Party won no election. There was a "Hung Parliament". The majority of voters in this country abstained, voted for or support other parties, but because of the way the system is set up, the Conservatives had the largest number of seats.

    Now, those most Tories call "work shy yobs" are actually British Citizens priced out of the labor market by EU migrant workers encouraged to come and live here by Global Corporations who dictate orders (aided by EU Bureaucracy) to the British Government.

    These students described as worthless have been made so by the consequences of Conservative ideology.

    Prior to 2004, things were somewhat more bearable in this country. Immigration was high but manageable. Government spending was (for all intents and purposes) conducted with a token of fiscal responsibility. The prospects of jobs for lower and working classed youths was still on life support. Education funding was adequate. It wasn't great, but it was acceptable.

    After 2004 things took a turn for the worse. Need I explain why?

    The result of this was the rejection of a complicit Labour government.

    The Conservative government comes in and decides to exacerbate all problems by slashing government spending with ostensibly indiscriminate relish, and yet there is method to their madness. Notice £7 billion set aside to help new born children, 2 year olds, and a "Pupil Premium" supposedly to help poorer children - a surreptitious safety net for the 2 million EU migrant children born in this country in the last couple of years. Notice billions of pounds set aside for international development programs, and billions paid upfront to the EU as both tribute and aid to floundering EU economies, and all of this under the aegis of a party claiming to put Britain first.

    Right there in this promotion of a New Roman Empire lies the siphoned off wealth of a nation, which, put to better use could fund free education for EVERY British child and adult.

    But no. They would rather have 30 million poor British people placed one way or another in long term debt or difficulty, starting with the young.

    I think to describe this insidious and inveterate plan, and its implementation -"evil" is a fitting word.
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    (Original post by Gimme More)
    Let's try one more time in-spite of all subtle shilling.





    Two million people attended an anti war rally protesting policies of the last government.


    TWO MILLION.


    Where was this "small minority of anarchists" (blamed now by the Conservative Party) who hijack mass protests in order to inflict arbitrary damage on the political infrastructure?

    Where were they?



    Can you explain why there have been four violent protests within the first year of the present administration?
    Let me first say something, do not listen to them that the violence is a bad thing. Radical politics often facilitates change, they are going to have to kill people and become a full dictatorship or change. If you look at America the have exported their blood shed to south America by over throwing democratically elected regimes to gain wealth by creating and exploiting economic markets. Britain has done the same with the exploitation of Africa with the slave trade and the stealing of natural resources, and in Hong Kong with the Heroine trade.

    The last radical exploitation was in Iraq for both of these nations. Nevertheless, the world is changing people are realising the truth because people know longer live in a context of ignorance due to a lack of education. Therefore, it is harder to manipulate people.

    You have to ask yourself why are they reducing education to the poor and increasing profitable capitalist markets. The economic might of china is frightens them. Furthermore, remember only East Coast China is a 'free market' they are not working know where near full capacity. This conquest for financial and world might has devalued the importance of us the 'citizens'. A change needs to happen but it is not communism, it is developmental democracy. The emphasis needs to be on Eudemonia like the one the ancient Athenians believed in. We need to flourish as human beings. We need to be invested in and believed in, and to have and active role in our society. The conservatives are just offering us a false sense of this to reduce cost, their 'big society' is all a joke.
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    (Original post by Ministerdonut)
    The main quarrel I have with that lot in the home office ,is they need to stop talking about deploying water cannon against the soap dodgers but just do it. Maybe they could put some soap in it,to give them all a wash.

    Personally I think after the attack on the prince, they should have deployed plastic bullets as well as armoured personnel carriers and made a few examples,by dragging them into courts battered and bleeding and giving them say 15 yrs each. That would stop all this trouble. I mean , surely those who did attack the prince , should be chopped up and have their body parts scattered around london? If not why not?
    You're in the wrong thread.
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    (Original post by Yawza)
    Let me first say something, do not listen to them that the violence is a bad thing. Radical politics often facilitates change, they are going to have to kill people and become a full dictatorship or change. If you look at America the have exported their blood shed to south America by over throwing democratically elected regimes to gain wealth by creating and exploiting economic markets. Britain has done the same with the exploitation of Africa with the slave trade and the stealing of natural resources, and in Hong Kong with the Heroine trade.

    The last radical exploitation was in Iraq for both of these nations. Nevertheless, the world is changing people are realising the truth because people know longer live in a context of ignorance due to a lack of education. Therefore, it is harder to manipulate people.

    You have to ask yourself why are they reducing education to the poor and increasing profitable capitalist markets. The economic might of china is frightens them. Furthermore, remember only East Coast China is a 'free market' they are not working know where near full capacity. This conquest for financial and world might has devalued the importance of us the 'citizens'. A change needs to happen but it is not communism, it is developmental democracy. The emphasis needs to be on Eudemonia like the one the ancient Athenians believed in. We need to flourish as human beings. We need to be invested in and believed in, and to have and active role in our society. The conservatives are just offering us a false sense of this to reduce cost, their 'big society' is all a joke.
    This is disrespectful on far too many levels.
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    (Original post by Gimme More)
    First of all, the Conservative Party won no election. There was a "Hung Parliament". The majority of voters in this country abstained, voted for or support other parties, but because of the way the system is set up, the Conservatives had the largest number of seats.

    Now, those most Tories call "work shy yobs" are actually British Citizens priced out of the labor market by EU migrant workers encouraged to come and live here by Global Corporations who dictate orders (aided by EU Bureaucracy) to the British Government.

    These students described as worthless have been made so by the consequences of Conservative ideology.

    Prior to 2004, things were somewhat more bearable in this country. Immigration was high but manageable. Government spending was (for all intents and purposes) conducted with a token of fiscal responsibility. The prospects of jobs for lower and working classed youths was still on life support. Education funding was adequate. It wasn't great, but it was acceptable.

    After 2004 things took a turn for the worse. Need I explain why?

    The result of this was the rejection of a complicit Labour government.

    The Conservative government comes in and decides to exacerbate all problems by slashing government spending with ostensibly indiscriminate relish, and yet there is method to their madness. Notice £7 billion set aside to help new born children, 2 year olds, and a "Pupil Premium" supposedly to help poorer children - a surreptitious safety net for the 2 million EU migrant children born in this country in the last couple of years. Notice billions of pounds set aside for international development programs, and billions paid upfront to the EU as both tribute and aid to floundering EU economies, and all of this under the aegis of a party claiming to put Britain first.

    Right there in this promotion of a New Roman Empire lies the siphoned off wealth of a nation, which, put to better use could fund free education for EVERY British child and adult.

    But no. They would rather have 30 million poor British people placed one way or another in long term debt or difficulty, starting with the young.

    I think to describe this insidious and inveterate plan, and its implementation -"evil" is a fitting word.
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    Are you a virgin?
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    Cool story, bro
    Sadly, it happens to be factual.
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    (Original post by Gimme More)
    First of all, the Conservative Party won no election. There was a "Hung Parliament". The majority of voters in this country abstained, voted for or support other parties, but because of the way the system is set up, the Conservatives had the largest number of seats.

    Now, those most Tories call "work shy yobs" are actually British Citizens priced out of the labor market by EU migrant workers encouraged to come and live here by Global Corporations who dictate orders (aided by EU Bureaucracy) to the British Government.

    These students described as worthless have been made so by the consequences of Conservative ideology.

    Prior to 2004, things were somewhat more bearable in this country. Immigration was high but manageable. Government spending was (for all intents and purposes) conducted with a token of fiscal responsibility. The prospects of jobs for lower and working classed youths was still on life support. Education funding was adequate. It wasn't great, but it was acceptable.

    After 2004 things took a turn for the worse. Need I explain why?

    The result of this was the rejection of a complicit Labour government.

    The Conservative government comes in and decides to exacerbate all problems by slashing government spending with ostensibly indiscriminate relish, and yet there is method to their madness. Notice £7 billion set aside to help new born children, 2 year olds, and a "Pupil Premium" supposedly to help poorer children - a surreptitious safety net for the 2 million EU migrant children born in this country in the last couple of years. Notice billions of pounds set aside for international development programs, and billions paid upfront to the EU as both tribute and aid to floundering EU economies, and all of this under the aegis of a party claiming to put Britain first.

    Right there in this promotion of a New Roman Empire lies the siphoned off wealth of a nation, which, put to better use could fund free education for EVERY British child and adult.

    But no. They would rather have 30 million poor British people placed one way or another in long term debt or difficulty, starting with the young.

    I think to describe this insidious and inveterate plan, and its implementation -"evil" is a fitting word.

    I do not believe anyone is ‘Priced’ out of labour markets in this country. I believe people are just lazy. However, I believe in true democracy, we should vote on serious matters like bank levy’s and things that affect our lives. The emphasis needs to be taking of capitalism because it keeps failing. Nevertheless, because is in the interest of the elite we see it constantly revived. We need proper democracy not this imitation or communism. We need a developmental democracy.:eek:
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    They aren't humane, but they are human beings. Curious I know, what with their being so devoid of the basic characteristics of humanity, but true not the less.
 
 
 
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