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I used to be never take an interest in politics. It was only really when I entered university that I began to wake. At first I felt I had more in common with the political left, but when I see people warp and disfigure perfectly good policies just to keep themselves from being called conservative, then I begin to question things.

If people put this ridiculously tiring, dated and restricting notion of political affiliation to rest then maybe we'd actually get somewhere. Instead of people carrying on blindly in this tribal state we'd actually have a cross-network of ideas transcending the pre-/misconceptions based on the colour of your political flag.

Instead of people voting Conservative because of their parents' alignment; perhaps Liberal because of their peers' alignment; maybe BNP because of their newspaper's alignment or Green because of Thom Yorke's alignment then likely they'd wake up and pay more attention to politics - and not just the politics of whose face looks better on a t-shirt.

Also, as many have said before me: there is no reason in generalising.
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Oi! No, we are not!
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(Original post by planetearth)
State Policy

"In 1957 Kerala elected a communist government headed by EMS Namboothiripad, introduced the revolutionary Land Reform Ordinance. The Land reform was implemented by the subsequent government, which had abolished tenancy, benefiting 1.5 million poor households. This achievement was the result of decades of struggle by Kerala's peasant associations. A second communist ministry pushed for the reform again in the late 1967. The land reform initiative abolished tenancy and landlord exploitation; effective public food distribution that provides subsidised rice to low-income households; protective laws for agricultural workers; pensions for retired agricultural laborers; and a high rate of government employment for members of formerly low-caste communities"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala_model

Sound like very Communist policies to me.


Main objectives of land reform acts

* To bestow on tenents ownership of a minimum of ten cents of land
* To end the old feudal relations by legitimizing the right of real peasents to own the land they cultivate.
* To introduce land ceiling and distribute excess land among the landless agricultural laborers.
* To abolish exploitation and inequalities in the agrarian sector.
* To ensure the consistent progress and transformation of society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Reform_Ordinance

It's definately socialist and progressive, but doesn't change the fact that Kerala IS NOT communist. Are all workers employed by the Kerala government? Are all wages equal? Is all property owned by the Kerala government? Is the economy centrally controlled by the government? Is religion outlawed in Kerala?
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(Original post by DisconcertingWink1)
Discuss.
I'd say naive rather than stupid.
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(Original post by IQ Test)
There's no need to swear.

In my experience, yes, many right wingers want to improve the world for them and care far less about the affairs of the wider world.

Again, I said many.
Right wingers on the whole want the onus to be on the individual to have the responsibility to improve their world.

As you can see having an all encompassing state has done little to eradicate poverty in the past couple of decades.
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(Original post by Keckers)
Right wingers on the whole want the onus to be on the individual to have the responsibility to improve their world.

As you can see having an all encompassing state has done little to eradicate poverty in the past couple of decades.
I'd suggest it has done more than what a small number of people being very rich has done.
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Are todays 'rightists' patronising and arrogant? Discuss.
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(Original post by Keckers)
Right wingers on the whole want the onus to be on the individual to have the responsibility to improve their world.

As you can see having an all encompassing state has done little to eradicate poverty in the past couple of decades.
Fairly key point here: most people with right wing views from an early age don't have a concept of 'lack of opportunity' since they have been perfectly able their whole lives to 'improve their own world.' Though, realistically, there wasn't much that needed improving in the first place I expect :rolleyes:
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Your views change throughout your life, different experiences makes you view life in different ways. Personally I lean more to the left (yes I'm 17) but that doesn't mean that by saying I'm a leftist, then I'm completely socialist. Like people have been saying, once you get older and experience different things, your views will change.
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Some are some aren't. I can't really say much more than that.
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(Original post by tripleeagle)
I second this. As much as I love to hate socialists, they do frequently make good points.
I do think it's essential in politics to realise that very, very few people are completely stupid. Yeah, I disagree massively with the majority of right-wingers on the majority of political issues, but that doesn't mean that we can't agree on something. Very few people perfectly embody all the values of the Left or of the Right; most people will be more liberal on some things and more conservative on others. As such, there's usually something in everyone's politics that you can agree with.

And I'd agree with kerily about the slightly 'strong' title...we can't expect to properly debate such an outlandish motion!
'Are left-wingers inherently less intelligent than right-wingers?' or vice-versa would have been fine; 'is it fashionable to be left-wing?' or vice versa would have been fine; and so on. But this doesn't leave you anywhere to go.

I also find it quite amusing that you're all saying it's 'fashionable' to be left-wing. Where do you live? It's definitely not 'fashionable' to be left-wing where I am, and in any case, I believe what I believe because I can think of many reasons why I think it's right, not because of what everyone around me thinks. Or to react to what everyone around me thinks.
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(Original post by DisconcertingWink1)
Discuss.
yes, they like to think that they are making a difference
when they're older they'll realise;
it was all an idealistic waste of time...then they'll vote tory :P
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Lol you get stupid and smart people in all walks of life. You can hardly tar an entire group of people as stupid. Both right wingers and left wingers can be equally intelligent and equally stupid. The real problem is that the idiots tend to be the ones with the loudest bark.
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The younger generation have always been more susceptible to left-wing views. Most grow out of it when they reach adult life.
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(Original post by WelshBluebird)
I'd suggest it has done more than what a small number of people being very rich has done.
Give politicians their due. They do try very hard to convince us they act in the public interest.
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Give politicians their due. They do try very hard to convince us they act in the public interest.
To be fair, both the government and private company owners are as bad as each other. But at least governments have done some good (NHS, minimum wage, etc etc).
Yes, some rich CEO's give money to charity, but they are by far the minority.
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centrism!
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(Original post by WelshBluebird)
That may be true for you, but it certainly is not true for everyone on the right.
Why do you think the rich are generally right wing? For their own gain. Of course you can say the same about why so many less well off people are on the left.
Perhaps that is so, I was merely contending that people are on the left of politics because they wish to help others, and people are on the right for their own gain. I agree that some on the right will be in it just for their own gain, but likewise on the left - and that others on all sides will have the best of intentions and merely contend how to get there and which means justify which ends - and indeed what those ends will be.
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(Original post by WelshBluebird)
To be fair, both the government and private company owners are as bad as each other. But at least governments have done some good (NHS, minimum wage, etc etc).
Yes, some rich CEO's give money to charity, but they are by far the minority.
I would contest (to some extent) the minimum wage being a force for good but it has been done to death.

CEO's are just as bad, but they are able to sustain such large and potentially damaging corporations due to state intervention and government sponsorship; this argument has also been done to death.

Essentially I see large government as the fault for western poverty. Almost to the same extent that religion is to blame for third world poverty
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(Original post by IQ Test)
To me, it seems that promotion of private business over state services is a way of persuing personal interests, but that's just one type of right wing politics.
As I just said to WelshBluebird, I'm merely contending that exactly the same thing can be said of those on the left in many cases, and that there will be those on all sides of the spectrum who are in it for their own gain, and those that genuinely believe it will make the world a better place (although, if you're believing that you can make everyone better off, the two don't have to be mutually exclusive). I just think that it's wrong to paint the picture as one side having good intentions and the other bad - when the reality is that both exist on all sides of the spectrum.
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