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    (Original post by emlyn)
    and trying to learn more about a subject which interests me.
    If you're trying to learn then why do you still spout from a point of complete ignorance?

    (Original post by emlyn)
    So your comments about me being 'poorly educated' are childish and inappropriate.
    On this topic, you clearly are.
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    absolutely agree on the NIreland thing, I don't respect alot of what our own government does either. I'm Welsh and want more devoultion.
    Send Arabs the guns? You mean by this using them in WW2? or do you mean our alliegances during the Cold War?
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    I didn't say Israel was tyrannical or racist. Alot of Pakistanis in Britain have really high payed jobs it happens to be that pakistanis, the pakistani ones, not the british ones, are immigrants coming into the country often with 'incompatible' qualifications or little education. Once they have an education they'll likely get high payed jobs. Immigrants anywhere get lower paid jobs.

    PS Ye, that tyrannical thing was totally an idiotism, sorry ;p
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    (Original post by JonathanH)
    If you're trying to learn then why do you still spout from a point of complete ignorance?.
    What I'm ignorant because I don't hold the same point of view as you? I'm presenting arguments, because that's what debatings about.
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    (Original post by emlyn)
    absolutely agree on the NIreland thing, I don't respect alot of what our own government does either. I'm Welsh and want more devoultion.
    Send Arabs the guns? You mean by this using them in WW2? or do you mean our alliegances during the Cold War?
    I mean Britain arming the Arabs during Israel's war of independence and even providing officers to lead Arab brigades against Israel.
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    (Original post by spacepilot3000)
    I didn't say Israel was tyrannical or racist. Alot of Pakistanis in Britain have really high payed jobs it happens to be that pakistanis, the pakistani ones, not the british ones, are immigrants coming into the country often with 'incompatible' qualifications or little education. Once they have an education they'll likely get high payed jobs. Immigrants anywhere get lower paid jobs.

    PS Ye, that tyrannical thing was totally an idiotism, sorry ;p
    Alot of Arabs in Israel have really high payed jobs it happens to be that Arabs, the Arab ones, not the Israeli ones, are immigrants coming into the country often with 'incompatible' qualifications or little education. Once they have an education they'll likely get high payed jobs. Immigrants anywhere get lower paid jobs.

    (Original post by emlyn)
    absolutely agree on the NIreland thing, I don't respect alot of what our own government does either. I'm Welsh and want more devoultion.
    Send Arabs the guns? You mean by this using them in WW2? or do you mean our alliegances during the Cold War?
    Could it perhaps be that any democratic government faced with a murderous separatist movement is going to take off their gloves?
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    so did we help the arabs to start with, because we wanted to retain the land?
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    Well, I do agree with you but the education system in Israel is based on the american one. The public schools arent as good as in Britain (and theyre not great here). If your a Jewish Israeli with rich Jewish Israeli parents youll be a rich Jewish Israeli, if you're a poor arab in Israel, youll stay a poor arab in Israel. Britain is a more multicultural society and has an education that reflects that society. The Israeli system reflects the predominantly Jewish population (to a point, I dont think everthing is taught in Hebrew and I dont think the book of genesis is taught in physics but an arab in Israel has less chance of social promotion than a Pakistani does in Britain).
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    (Original post by emlyn)
    so did we help the arabs to start with, because we wanted to retain the land?
    Because Britain wanted the Arabs to create one kingdom, stretching from Morocco to Iraq, which it thought it could control like a puppet as it did to Egypt prior to WWII.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Because Britain wanted the Arabs to create one kingdom, stretching from Morocco to Iraq, which it thought it could control like a puppet as it did to Egypt prior to WWII.
    ah clever. right I'm off to get some food. thanks for the debate, I don't study either history or politics so it's all good for me I'm sure!
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    (Original post by emlyn)
    ah clever. right I'm off to get some food. thanks for the debate, I don't study either history or politics so it's all good for me I'm sure!
    Good night. Next time, try not to make definitely statements about things you don't know about though. There's nothing wrong with not knowing something; there is something wrong with pretending to know something you don't.
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    Educating alot of the population is good but educatiing them well is another thing. You say that 10 percent of Brits are from minorty groups and 20 percent of Israelis? How many people from minority groups are in the Knesset? 20 percent?

    Good debate man, good to have an argument with someone who knows their stuff. I'm off, gdnight.
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    (Original post by spacepilot3000)
    Educating alot of the population is good but educatiing them well is another thing. You say that 10 percent of Brits are from minorty groups and 20 percent of Israelis? How many people from minority groups are in the Knesset? 20 percent?

    Good debate man, good to have an argument with someone who knows their stuff. I'm off, gdnight.
    Arab parties have 10 out of the 120 seats in the Knesset. Most of the major parties have at least one Arab on their list. I'd imagine Arabs have about 15% of the seats of the in the Knesset (the percentage is lower than would be expected due to Arabs having a lower turnout than the rest of the population).
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    This debate is a bit pointless. It just seems to be blurred by bias: those of the Jewish or Israeli persuasion against those that aren't. Im sure Israel's inclusion would be of logistic value to NATO but I also think that it may be antagonistic towards the Arab/muslim world, like we're supporting it. We've already p***** off muslims over Iraq, Afghanistan...let's try and stay out of the Isarel-Palestine conflict until both sides stop bombing each other.
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    Well said. Waiting for them to stop bombing each other would take a while though, maybe if other countries stopped giving them the bombs...
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    (Original post by Bismarck)


    Arabic, Hebrew, and English are all national languages in Israel. Israel is one of the most socialist countries in the West; there is a significant amount of income redistribution there. And considering that less than 10% of Britons are from minority groups, while about 20% of Israelis are from minority groups, it seems that Israel is more multicultural than Britain.

    Please don’t amalgamate Israel with the West - they dont share any of the same values at all... Despite the fact they claim to, its all tripe.

    Israel also represses its minority groups, unlike Britain.
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    I see no reason why Israel should not join NATO.
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    (Original post by phawkins1988)
    I see no reason why Israel should not join NATO.
    me neither. as a Turk, i think it is quite important that they do join because the israelis are our only regional allies.
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    And Britain has never oppressed any minority groups, has it? Nope, Irish internment never happened, it was made up by that mean Gerry Adams. :rolleyes:
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    Does Israel want to be in Nato, or is Nato inviting them? Or is this speculative article just a flimsy excuse to kick up a fuss on Israel again?
 
 
 
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