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    British - It is far superior than Sharia, I do not want Sharia at all. It is not good at all. We must continue with British law and shun foreign laws based on religion.
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    Sharia - It is superior, more moral. People should be more open minded to the idea. They may even begin voting for it themselves.
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    (Original post by posthumus)
    Where does the state get it's money from
    Just like how any other state would, from tax (only from the wealthy) participating as an actor in the free market, fines, etc..

    (Original post by posthumus)
    Without the need of associating religion anywhere. You genuinely think Sharia Law will improve today's society ? :rolleyes:
    I personally do, but that's just my opinion.

    (Original post by posthumus)
    So what are the perks for Muslims ? that is if non-Muslims would be accepted as equal members of society.
    Sorry I don't quite understand what you mean?
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    (Original post by RealRecReal)
    Just like how any other state would, from tax (only from the wealthy) participating as an actor in the free market, fines, etc..



    I personally do, but that's just my opinion.



    Sorry I don't quite understand what you mean?
    You forgot to reply to this bit :

    (Original post by posthumus)
    Also I'm pretty sure the government or system we have now ensures that people get those things :rolleyes:
    Basically what I'm trying to say is... what is the point of bringing anything to do with Islam into it ??
    If you think some policies need changing... the great thing about this current 'system' is that it can always be changed !
    Democracy. I'm pretty sure foreigners immigrate to the UK because of better opportunities - and there is also a better system here.

    If it makes a difference: I am British born Indian.

    It's stupid really, if you don't like it then go somewhere where the Taliban rule or where Shariah Law is imposed. Democracy is here to stay in Britain.
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    (Original post by posthumus)
    You forgot to reply to this bit :



    Basically what I'm trying to say is... what is the point of bringing anything to do with Islam into it ??
    If you think some policies need changing... the great thing about this current 'system' is that it can always be changed !
    Democracy. I'm pretty sure foreigners immigrate to the UK because of better opportunities - and there is also a better system here.

    If it makes a difference: I am British born Indian.

    It's stupid really, if you don't like it then go somewhere where the Taliban rule or where Shariah Law is imposed. Democracy is here to stay in Britain.
    Yes, I would say that the government does do a reasonably good job when it comes to housing people but there are still over a million homeless people in the UK half of them sleeping rough on the streets.

    The UK may have a better system than other countries and that may be the cause of people coming here but whats that got to do with the thread title?

    (Original post by posthumus)
    It's stupid really, if you don't like it then go somewhere where the Taliban rule or where Shariah Law is imposed. Democracy is here to stay in Britain.
    I'd love to but unfortunately the last Islamic State was abolished in 1924.
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    (Original post by RealRecReal)
    Yes, I would say that the government does do a reasonably good job when it comes to housing people but there are still over a million homeless people in the UK half of them sleeping rough on the streets.

    The UK may have a better system than other countries and that may be the cause of people coming here but whats that got to do with the thread title?

    I'd love to but unfortunately the last Islamic State was abolished in 1924.
    And you think shariah law would do a fantastic job!? lol

    But anyway, what are the perks for Muslims ? I mean you have to relate this law to Islam - so surely there will not be equality for all.

    I don't need to look into stats - but I think there are plenty of places on this planet where you would prefer to be according to this thread anyway Lets just say there are plenty of places where it's more 'Shariah' than here anyway.
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    (Original post by posthumus)
    And you think shariah law would do a fantastic job!? lol

    But anyway, what are the perks for Muslims ? I mean you have to relate this law to Islam - so surely there will not be equality for all.

    I don't need to look into stats - but I think there are plenty of places on this planet where you would prefer to be according to this thread anyway Lets just say there are plenty of places where it's more 'Shariah' than here anyway.
    I don't know why you're making such a big deal about it. If you like living in a society where adultery, prostitution, gambling and alcoholism is all prominent then good for you. But, I do not.

    And just to clarify I want Sharia in Muslim Land not here.
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    (Original post by RealRecReal)
    I don't know why you're making such a big deal about it. If you like living in a society where adultery, prostitution, gambling and alcoholism is all prominent then good for you. But, I do not.

    And just to clarify I want Sharia in Muslim Land not here.
    I like living in a free society. I don't do adultery, I don't gamble and I certainly do not drink alcohol.

    Sorry then I only assumed that you were supporting the thread title which suggests replacing British Law with Sharia Law.

    If a country were to get sharia law (I'm pretty sure there are places on this planet where sharia law is inforced), you would pack your bags and leave this country right ??

    There is a reason there is no completely "Shariah Law" country - it is because it quite simply does not work ! It's no different from communism (in my honest opinion I think it's even worse).
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    I didn't say you mate it up, mate. What I'm saying is you Muslims try to twist it to make it seem like the act is not the issue.

    And actually it was legalised in the 60's, so well done there. And yes, in the past Britain has been illiberal and opressive, in some senses it still is illiberal. I'm happy to admit that.



    If a man is to 'admit' the act to someone, then they count as a witness. So if Bob said to Aaron, 'Oh yeah, me and Joe made love last night, up the bum and all that' and Sandra over hears and asks if that's true, then Sandra can count as 1 of the 4 witnesses. As is my understanding.
    Ok I understand where you are coming from with the muslims try to twist it to make it look like its not the issue.

    Also even if homosexuality was legalised in the 60s, what is to say it won't become illegal in the future? And then everyone would be disgusted by the idea. Just like some drugs which were once legal in England then became illegal and now they are trying to legalise them again, I think cannabis is one, not too sure which drugs they are though.

    For your last statement, the witness will only be a witness if they see the act, and 4 people must see the act happening, thats why its so hard to convict someone for fornicating even if it be homosexual. And the act must be seen in public because if seen in a private place and those committing the act had consented to it then unless they turn themselves in to the authorities then punishment won't be given as they did it without harming society.
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    (Original post by posthumus)
    I like living in a free society. I don't do adultery, I don't gamble and I certainly do not drink alcohol.

    Sorry then I only assumed that you were supporting the thread title which suggests replacing British Law with Sharia Law.

    If a country were to get sharia law (I'm pretty sure there are places on this planet where sharia law is inforced), you would pack your bags and leave this country right ??

    There is a reason there is no completely "Shariah Law" country - it is because it quite simply does not work ! It's no different from communism (in my honest opinion I think it's even worse).
    Why wouldn't it work? It has worked before and there are millions of people that want it for their counties? So what's the problem?
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    (Original post by posthumus)
    I like living in a free society. I don't do adultery, I don't gamble and I certainly do not drink alcohol.

    Sorry then I only assumed that you were supporting the thread title which suggests replacing British Law with Sharia Law.

    If a country were to get sharia law (I'm pretty sure there are places on this planet where sharia law is inforced), you would pack your bags and leave this country right ??

    There is a reason there is no completely "Shariah Law" country - it is because it quite simply does not work ! It's no different from communism (in my honest opinion I think it's even worse).
    There isnt any country which enforces shariah law, for there to be such state it has to implement all of it or its not considered as islamic at all.

    I would definitely pack my bags and leave once a state implementing shariah comes by.

    You like living in a free society, a society where women are free to sell their bodies in pornography and prostitution which leads to men looking at women as objects which leads to rape. Men leaving their families because society is telling them to be "free" and going after other women, which then leads to children not having a father figure to look up to and become delinquents committing crime, this is happening all the time and this is what a free society is doing.

    Being free to drink alcohol which also results to families being destroyed, health issues, every friday night the hospitals being filled with drunks and then the govt. can't afford to run a service like NHS, thats the kind of society you like?

    A society based on making the most money and if you can't then you suffer, like many old people this prolonged winter had to decide whether they spend money on heat or on food, two basic necessities without society cannot even exist yet this is happening. Interest based loans which are very hard to pay back.

    A society that allows gambling which leads to debt and again makes people suffer, maybe you don't do it but if a society allows people to do it then they will do them and it will cause problems, maybe not for you but we have to look at society as a whole.

    By the way I too support Shariah but not for England because for a state to be ruled by shariah the people must be wanting it and seeing as Britain is majority non-muslim, it wont work here.

    To compare Shariah to communism just proves how little you actually know about the system. Learn about it before making such false statements. Communism and Shariah are completely different. One example is how communism denies the existence of any creator or God whilst Shariah upholds the view that there is a God. And to be honest, seeing all the problems capitalism has caused, every headline you read is usually an affect of capitalism, I think it is the worst system to use.
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    (Original post by RealRecReal)
    Why wouldn't it work? It has worked before and there are millions of people that want it for their counties? So what's the problem?
    Do you know what communism doesn't work ? Look it up and it's history.

    For countries to survive economically they can't be so ignorant.

    But do you agree there are places which are more 'Shariah' than Britain ? That are more like what you would prefer for example: no alcohol, drugs, adultry & gambling.
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    (Original post by RealRecReal)
    Why wouldn't it work? It has worked before and there are millions of people that want it for their counties? So what's the problem?
    When communism was destroyed, the ones who implemented it in Russia, even they stopped calling for it. But with Islam and Shariah were destroyed in 1924 and the muslims have been living under capitalist and communist rule over the world, they had and still have a chance to stop believing in it yet they still do and still call for its return, this fact speaks for itself as its an ideology ingrained in the hearts of the people.

    Yes it has worked before and the only problem that would arise is that the people in muslim countries will start thinking for themselves instead of the west thinking for them which will be bad for the west but good for the muslim world.
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    (Original post by posthumus)
    But do you agree there are places which are more 'Shariah' than Britain ? That are more like what you would prefer for example: no alcohol, drugs, adultry & gambling.
    There is no such place these days except saudi arabia but then they are very oppressive against immigrants and women so it may be a bit islamic but not its not Shariah as shariah would mean to apply all the laws which they dont, number 1 being not to have borders with other muslim countries.
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    (Original post by malikabdullah96)
    There isnt any country which enforces shariah law, for there to be such state it has to implement all of it or its not considered as islamic at all.

    I would definitely pack my bags and leave once a state implementing shariah comes by.

    You like living in a free society, a society where women are free to sell their bodies in pornography and prostitution which leads to men looking at women as objects which leads to rape. Men leaving their families because society is telling them to be "free" and going after other women, which then leads to children not having a father figure to look up to and become delinquents committing crime, this is happening all the time and this is what a free society is doing.

    Being free to drink alcohol which also results to families being destroyed, health issues, every friday night the hospitals being filled with drunks and then the govt. can't afford to run a service like NHS, thats the kind of society you like?

    A society based on making the most money and if you can't then you suffer, like many old people this prolonged winter had to decide whether they spend money on heat or on food, two basic necessities without society cannot even exist yet this is happening. Interest based loans which are very hard to pay back.

    A society that allows gambling which leads to debt and again makes people suffer, maybe you don't do it but if a society allows people to do it then they will do them and it will cause problems, maybe not for you but we have to look at society as a whole.

    By the way I too support Shariah but not for England because for a state to be ruled by shariah the people must be wanting it and seeing as Britain is majority non-muslim, it wont work here.

    To compare Shariah to communism just proves how little you actually know about the system. Learn about it before making such false statements. Communism and Shariah are completely different. One example is how communism denies the existence of any creator or God whilst Shariah upholds the view that there is a God. And to be honest, seeing all the problems capitalism has caused, every headline you read is usually an affect of capitalism, I think it is the worst system to use.
    Yes women are free to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't effect others. Rape ? It's illegal here - don't tell me under shariah law men will lose hormones and their natural human instincts also. From what I have seen men and women are not treated equally in Islam anyway (for example : why does a man not cover his face).

    I disagree with alcohol... but people can drink it if they want to. Many can drink it responsibly. I agree with NHS issue as well... totally different issue and many people in the UK would agree with a part of what you said and would push for change. But bringing Shariah/ Islam into it ? pointless. & no thanks.

    You support Shariah for other countries... what are you doing here then ? Go there and fight for Shariah - campaign and start a revolution if your so committed :confused: Oh wait or do you need good old Britain and it's freedom of speech system to talk out about Shariah law in other countries ? :rolleyes:

    In what sense ? I used it as an example of a system which sounded okay - but in practice would never work. Oh wait but Shariah law imposes the idea of god.... economic success !

    I don't ever want to believe in god, ever. I want that choice for myself and others.

    A socialist society/ economy is the only one that works - everyone has an opportunity to get to the top with hard work. Survival of the fittest, completely natural and it just bloody well works. There will be winners and losers, that's life. A society like this also encourages progress for the human race. Your ideal world where everyone can have everything will never exist.

    And like I was saying to RealRecReal.... there are places on this planet which favor more towards what you people are looking for. Please pack your bags and go there (maybe tweak it the way you want). But leave us alone and let someone else have the opportunity to enter democratic Britain and actually appreciate what this country has to offer.
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    Why does everyone think that Sharia law will dominate Britain. Islam teaches us to follow the laws of the country we live in so CALM DOWN
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    I cannot in the life of me believe that 41 people actually voted Sharia law. Let me guess, all were Muslims?
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    Funny enough a lot of Muslims I know who want Shariah law all drink alcohol & chase girls (non-muslim girls also) & quite a few of them smoke.
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    (Original post by malikabdullah96)
    Ok I understand where you are coming from with the muslims try to twist it to make it look like its not the issue.

    Also even if homosexuality was legalised in the 60s, what is to say it won't become illegal in the future? And then everyone would be disgusted by the idea. Just like some drugs which were once legal in England then became illegal and now they are trying to legalise them again, I think cannabis is one, not too sure which drugs they are though.

    For your last statement, the witness will only be a witness if they see the act, and 4 people must see the act happening, thats why its so hard to convict someone for fornicating even if it be homosexual. And the act must be seen in public because if seen in a private place and those committing the act had consented to it then unless they turn themselves in to the authorities then punishment won't be given as they did it without harming society.
    It could do, but generally, the course of history says to me that we've reached a point, where bar massive world collapse, the liberal, progressive agenda will not be reversed in any huge way. And yes, there are kinks and turns on the way, but I find it much better than simply sticking to something with no progress on the basis that you don't know what path progress will take.

    I am under the impression one may not talk about the act, or admit they have done it?
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    I am under the impression one may not talk about the act, or admit they have done it?
    If one does not talk about the act publicly or admit to it, what can the govt. do? In Shariah you can't impose laws on one's private life as long as they don't impact or affect anyone else (i.e. rape would still be punished fr if done privately) so homosexuality is fine if done privately. And even today, you don't see people have sex in public do you?

    Plus throughout the history of when the shariah was implemented, the court records show that many of the punishments that were given were to people who actually owned up to doing the act because they felt wrong.
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    (Original post by posthumus)
    Yes women are free to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't effect others. Rape ? It's illegal here - don't tell me under shariah law men will lose hormones and their natural human instincts also. From what I have seen men and women are not treated equally in Islam anyway (for example : why does a man not cover his face).

    I disagree with alcohol... but people can drink it if they want to. Many can drink it responsibly. I agree with NHS issue as well... totally different issue and many people in the UK would agree with a part of what you said and would push for change. But bringing Shariah/ Islam into it ? pointless. & no thanks.

    You support Shariah for other countries... what are you doing here then ? Go there and fight for Shariah - campaign and start a revolution if your so committed :confused: Oh wait or do you need good old Britain and it's freedom of speech system to talk out about Shariah law in other countries ? :rolleyes:

    In what sense ? I used it as an example of a system which sounded okay - but in practice would never work. Oh wait but Shariah law imposes the idea of god.... economic success !

    I don't ever want to believe in god, ever. I want that choice for myself and others.

    A socialist society/ economy is the only one that works - everyone has an opportunity to get to the top with hard work. Survival of the fittest, completely natural and it just bloody well works. There will be winners and losers, that's life. A society like this also encourages progress for the human race. Your ideal world where everyone can have everything will never exist.

    And like I was saying to RealRecReal.... there are places on this planet which favor more towards what you people are looking for. Please pack your bags and go there (maybe tweak it the way you want). But leave us alone and let someone else have the opportunity to enter democratic Britain and actually appreciate what this country has to offer.

    Yes women are free to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't effect others....
    The way women are using their freedoms is effecting others, thats what I was talking about, and its not even women who are doing it, its mostly the economical pressure that drives women to do these things, most have no choice and there are many surveys, statistics to prove that and I think you may agree that most women who do sell their bodies don't actually want to do it. You misunderstood me with the rape thing. Of course some men will rape but it will be unlikely because A) Women will be covering their bodies in public where men won't be able to lust over their bodies and B) because Shariah has a death penalty for rape which also works as a deterrent and also stops second time offence.

    And to say Islam is oppressive to women is a false fact. The court records of the Islamic state pre 1924 in places like Turkey show that nearly every time a woman when to court against a man, the woman was given favour, in an oppressive society like in medieval Europe a woman wasnt even able to have a dispute with a man. A non-muslim woman and children didnt even need to pay Jiziya tax which is a tax for protection by the state as the state protected women and children for free. The first university that the world ever saw was established by a woman in the Islamic state, something if done in medieval Europe would have been called witchcraft. A woman in Islam doesnt even need to pay for her lipstick, its the duty of the state if the womans male relatives ordering from husband, father, uncle can not provide. This is how highly Islam treats women.

    I disagree with alcohol... but people can drink it if they want to. Many can drink it responsibly. I agree with NHS issue as well... totally different issue and many people in the UK would agree with a part of what you said and would push for change. But bringing Shariah/ Islam into it ? pointless. & no thanks.
    I want to know why you disagree with alcohol? And yh fine people can drink alcohol and people did drink alcohol when an islamic state was implemented but the way todays society feels that to have a good time there must be alcohol, thats why its called a social drug which then causes social problems. I am not bringing shariah into, just talking about the free society we live in.

    You support Shariah for other countries... what are you doing here then ?
    I support for shariah in the muslim world and what I'm doing here is that my parents migrated here as the situation in our countries is so bad because of the implementation of capitalism, with all the MNCs taking cheap labour and the western govt. supporting them by giving them tax exemptions, I would say get out of our countries and I will get out of yours, .

    In what sense ? I used it as an example of a system which sounded okay - but in practice would never work. Oh wait but Shariah law imposes the idea of god.... economic success !
    In practice would never work? The islamic empire once stretched from Indonesia in the East to Southern Spain in the West. With economical and social success all around. This happened when the rest of Europe was going through the black death, one of the reasons Europe went through the renaissance period was because people started to think of how to beat the islamic empire all because of the ideas that emanate from the shariah law. In practice Capitalism doesn't work, we can see that from the news around us with Greece, NHS, Divorce rates, Rape statistics. The issue of God, I was just giving an example of how communism and shariah are different from the foundation of the systems.

    I don't ever want to believe in god, ever. I want that choice for myself and others.
    Thats fine, In a shariah based society it doesn't mean you have to change your beliefs or be killed for it, non-muslims are free to practice their faiths or to hold no faith at all.

    A socialist society/ economy is the only one that works
    Britain isnt a socialist society its a capitalist society. Socialism leads to communism, I thought you didnt support communism? :confused:
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    (Original post by malikabdullah96)
    If one does not talk about the act publicly or admit to it, what can the govt. do? In Shariah you can't impose laws on one's private life as long as they don't impact or affect anyone else (i.e. rape would still be punished fr if done privately) so homosexuality is fine if done privately. And even today, you don't see people have sex in public do you?

    Plus throughout the history of when the shariah was implemented, the court records show that many of the punishments that were given were to people who actually owned up to doing the act because they felt wrong.
    Why can one not talk about it? And does that then mean under Shariah drugs can be used?
 
 
 
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