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Maggie Thatcher - The worst PM in UK's history and an economic failure watch

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    (Original post by Grenadier)
    Ah there are some exceptions like the Evil Officers from the old establishment :sneakydevil::lockstock:

    Yes we do see Mrs Thatcher as an advocate of anti-Bolshevism and the architect of the freedom found in the market:yep:
    Traitor of the Polish People's Republic! Bourgeois class ticket to Siberia for you. :devil3:

    (Original post by meenu89)
    But you have to admit that it is true to some extent. Can't see Michael Foot being an inspiration to people who were denied freedom....
    Of course it is = ) Sorry, I didn't mean to portray it otherwise. We even have chapels named after her in my city. As a matter of fact, my mother personally met her when she was in Gdansk during the Solidarnosc zenith. I just wanted to make a point not to place the Eastern Europe into one anti-establishment, pro-western package as it wasn't the case at all, for one shall think of people as free-thinking individuals as Baroness would say.

    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    I think it's a decent generalisation. She was well respected in Eastern Europe...Unless of course you were a communist.
    shhhh! :innocent:
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    (Original post by EvilOfficer)
    Traitor of the Polish People's Republic! Bourgeois class ticket to Siberia for you. :devil3:



    Of course it is = ) Sorry, I didn't mean to portray it otherwise. We even have chapels named after her in my city. As a matter of fact, my mother personally met her when she was in Gdansk during the Solidarnosc zenith. I just wanted to make a point not to place the Eastern Europe into one anti-establishment, pro-western package as it wasn't the case at all, for one shall think of people as free-thinking individuals as Baroness would say.



    shhhh! :innocent:
    Haha I'm with you all the way!
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    (Original post by kate_louise21)
    What do I admire about her ? yes she made mistakes but she did not try to cover them up she did not try hide away from them. Noone can get everything right but she certainly achieved some very successful things her time also, she gave the chance for people to buy their own homes, succeeded in the Falklands war, she did not let anyone influence her,what she believed in she stuck to and she made sure noone would try to sway her decision or manipulate her....that is somethink to be proud of!
    How can people honestly say she is worse than the goverment we have now ? look at what the goverment is doing now ..... and THAT was better than Thatcher? Hell no!
    She didn't try to hide her 'mistakes' because she never saw them as mistakes. Even when they produced terrible results she continued on. "This Lady is not for turning"...not even when her policies made things worse. People speak as though her determination to see things through was a good thing. Try telling that to all the people that suffered as a result of that 'admirable' trait.

    And you realise this government is influenced by Thatcherism, right? They're not better than Thatcher, they are Thatcher.
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    (Original post by JFA 95)
    She didn't try to hide her 'mistakes' because she never saw them as mistakes. Even when they produced terrible results she continued on. "This Lady is not for turning"...not even when her policies made things worse. People speak as though her determination to see things through was a good thing. Try telling that to all the people that suffered as a result of that 'admirable' trait.

    And you realise this government is influenced by Thatcherism, right? They're not better than Thatcher, they are Thatcher.
    Do you why she said that? She was in the Heath Government in 1970- 1974. During the latter part of that Government, they changed policies (otherwise know as a 'U' turn), and her and some others thought that was a mistake. That's the story behind the 'The Lady's not for turning.' Indeed, Edward Heath was urging her to change her policies.
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    (Original post by meenu89)
    Do you why she said that? She was in the Heath Government in 1970- 1974. During the latter part of that Government, they changed policies (otherwise know as a 'U' turn), and her and some others thought that was a mistake. That's the story behind the 'The Lady's not for turning.' Indeed, Edward Heath was urging her to change her policies.
    Interesting!
    But the line nevertheless became a symbol, as it were, for her whole general premiership and attitude.
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    (Original post by JFA 95)
    Interesting!
    But the line nevertheless became a symbol, as it were, for her whole general premiership and attitude.
    Well yes that is true, that is one of the reasons why I, along with countless others, love her.
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    (Original post by EvilOfficer)
    Be careful not to generalize.
    There were plenty of Jewish-left circles in Eastern Europe that were the driving forces behind permanent revolution kind of ideology and were indeed against what they seen as counter-revolution of the Thatcherite era.

    Miliband is in fact from such circles.

    My family have been taking part in revolutions since 1905 in Poland and were always supportive of what was to become the new civilization, but left for USA - then Israel - after being rescued by the Poles during WWII.
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    (Original post by C_G)
    What a speech, good to see the speaker tell off the boy on the other side too
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    (Original post by Hostile*****)
    I wasn't born yesterday.

    We have always championed this ranking with Norway et al since pretty much the post-war era and I could explain why by writing a book on it... But it's TSR so I'll just rapidly explain.

    Sweden is friendly in terms of innovation, entrepreneurial acts and always has been and that is what makes top those rankings. You will find a lot more "economic freedom" in low-taxed Estonia, Poland, Czech Republic or UK, but all of those are matchless to Sweden that - while embraces progressive taxation and redistribution of wealth - does not allow the businesses to monopolize and for the small/medium businesses to fail as a result.

    We have a mixed economy with state intervention etc, but that does not mean we're any less free or small/medium business friendly than others. In fact it's the opposite. We make sure economy serves everyone.

    Btw our current right-wing government is a) small b) sucks c) focuses on non-EU immigration as a social issue d) cannot pass a major economic reform e) will be voted out in 2015 with Cameron.
    And one of few countries in the world never to have been under British rule! Why is that economically Sweden and Norway are on a par if Norway are still operating under their moderate left wing coalition?
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Somebody started linking thatcher with the Falklands in a negative way. And you've guessed it. It was labour.
    Well, its the idea that it was justified, it was retreating!

    ’In a telephone phone-in on the Nationwide TV show, Thatcher was challenged by a teacher, Diana Gould, who pressed her to explain why the Belgrano had been attacked. Mrs Thatcher made her claim that the Belgrano was not sailing away from the exclusion zone. Mrs Gould quoted map references and co-ordinates to prove her point! Thatcher then tried to argue that “most people” would have seen the Belgrano as a threat. Mrs Gould undermined this argument, and suggested that 323 mothers and spouses were grieving needlessly. Mrs Thatcher, so it goes, never forgave the BBC for allowing the question!’
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    Perfect - I'll like it when I can
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    (Original post by Hostile*****)
    What a horrible witch. I hope Sweden never ever has such a Prime Minister.
    Well that would be the end metaphysical end of Sweden: the state of mind.
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    (Original post by EvilOfficer)
    Traitor of the Polish People's Republic! Bourgeois class ticket to Siberia for you. :devil3:



    Of course it is = ) Sorry, I didn't mean to portray it otherwise. We even have chapels named after her in my city. As a matter of fact, my mother personally met her when she was in Gdansk during the Solidarnosc zenith. I just wanted to make a point not to place the Eastern Europe into one anti-establishment, pro-western package as it wasn't the case at all, for one shall think of people as free-thinking individuals as Baroness would say.



    shhhh! :innocent:
    Comrade Justyna, you have just resurrected my East German spirit! Capitalist pigs will not understand us with their false consciousness.
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    (Original post by David Adler)
    3, 4, 16 and 17 are the most important points in my opinion.

    Did you really expect the OP to write you an essay on each of her points? You wouldn't read it you bloody ignorants.
    3 is complete and utter nonsense, manufacturing still made up 15% of GDP in 1990 and grew significantly in absolute terms.
    It was only under Tony Blair that manufacturing began to seriously decline, during his second term industrial production contracted for two straight years.
    I continue to be dumbfounded at how the left have managed to systematically shift the blame for quite literally everything onto Thatcher, regardless of whether or not she was actually guilty of it.
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    Margaret Hilda Roberts was Jewish, not a goy, which makes her the 2nd best PM after Benjamin Disraeli.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    What a speech, good to see the speaker tell off the boy on the other side too
    It would have been a good speech if it wasn't full of lies. Under Thatcher spending on education, healthcare and social security increased by over 30% each.

    Edit: Negging me for stating an indisputable fact?
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    It would have been a good speech if it wasn't full of lies. Under Thatcher spending on education, healthcare and social security increased by over 30% each.
    Haha what a ridiculous statement you've just managed to come up with! Not in the real cost.

    Thatcher totally ignored the Black Report 1980 and refused to spend anything on those things.
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    (Original post by Karla_Steinbach)
    I'm Dutch and I truly love Britons as a nation (we're sort of distant cousins with the English Saxons) but I must say Falklands simply do not and should not belong to Britain.

    Should they belong to Argentine? That's disputable.

    The point about Falklands War - yes - it was a criminal act as no sea warfare and airbombarding was necessary to sink the ships full of Argentinian men retreating with a white flag!
    You ever heard of sending an invading army a message?, If you think about it, Britain had a possibility of land invasion of Argentina.

    Cant believe the spawn of people who want to be weak and let other countries walk all over you, or the EU.
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    (Original post by Iron Lady)
    Take your socialist manifesto elsewhere. Some of us our mourning and you politicizing it, is distasteful. Have a debate on her policies, fine, but it seems convenient that just three days after the passing from Earth to Heaven you're criticizing her. Think of her family and how they would feel if reading your post, yah?
    Politicizing a death? The right have never done anything of the sort? Oh wait the recent tradegy involving the Philpotts. Id assume George Osborne saw it as a gift from the heavens. Tories used the deaths of six innocent children to further their anti welfare drivel.

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    (Original post by Jordan-James)
    You ever heard of sending an invading army a message?, If you think about it, Britain had a possibility of land invasion of Argentina.

    Cant believe the spawn of people who want to be weak and let other countries walk all over you, or the EU.
    A retreating army*

    Stop treating people like they're retarded. Of course invading army is to be reduced to rubble, but a retreating one? What are we? Not even Wermacht would take down the retreating naval forces.
 
 
 
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