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    (Original post by Barksy)
    1) They don't understand economics

    2) They are employed by government, if employed at all

    3) They are jealous

    4) They are champagne socialists

    5) They are weak so they want Big Brother to look after them

    6) They think it is the hip thing to do at University (suck it to da man)

    7) They are union thugs

    8) They are northern
    Best post in this thread by a mile. Spot on Barksy.
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    Oh I really don't get people who vote Labour. Labour represent:

    - Destroying Britain (anything traditional has to go because it's right-wing)
    - Crushing achievement
    - Making people less responsible for their actions
    - Rewarding failure
    - Encouraging laziness
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    (Original post by josh_cook)
    The fact that we exist in an economic-centric universe makes me sick to my stomach.
    You may wish to go and look up the definition of economics.....

    "Managing limited resources for unlimited needs"

    So it's a little difficult for us to exist without economics..... don't you think?
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    (Original post by Marcum)
    Coming from Liverpool, I do believe the people of the North, and the working classes, are ever disillusioned, disappointed and even alienated by the Labour Party. A return to a post New Labour is in order in my opinion, a more progressive version mind.
    and Northerners can't vote Tory because they closed loss-making industry and you lot cannot comprehend that simple fact? :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by a729)
    Lool London rejected him twice in favour of Boris ( a overt admirer of Thatcher!)

    Boris wants the Boris island airport (if it ever gets built) to be names Margaret Thatcher airport!
    What's that got to do with this thread?
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    (Original post by meenu89)
    Highest band was 83% when she came to office (although on unearned income it came to 98%).
    Are you sure?

    I thought that 83% was the effective rate when you combined NI and income tax!
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    What's that got to do with this thread?
    I was replying to your point about Ken's so called popularity

    Even Lord Sugar didn't for for him
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    (Original post by a729)
    I was replying to your point about Ken's so called popularity

    Even Lord Sugar didn't for for him
    Not winning an election doesn't necessarily mean you're unpopular and winning one doesn't necessarily mean you're popular.

    In the 2000 election for mayor, Labour under Blair refused to back Ken, and Ken won easily anyway and Labour were humiliated. After that they backed Ken.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Not winning an election doesn't necessarily mean you're unpopular and winning one doesn't necessarily mean you're popular.

    In the 2000 election for mayor, Labour under Blair refused to back Ken, and Ken won easily anyway and Labour were humiliated. After that they backed Ken.
    Popularity is fickle and ever changing

    Anyway Tony and New Labour didn't want a repeat of the 1980s leftie divisions which somewhat helped Thatcher win 3 times .

    Anyhow the London Mayor election is mostly personality not party - after all many Boris voters were/are normally labour voters! Hence independents with a high enough profile have a good chance of winning
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    Labour = immigration. Enough reasons for me to shun their votes. I don't know much about Politics, economics, etc. Most conversations seem to involve people not debating, but attempting to sound more impressive than the other person.
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    (Original post by Kat_woman)
    Keynesian economics. Basically there are different schools of thought on how to stimulate the economy and some of us believe that by spending now you can actually stimulate it and in the long term fix all the **** that's going on. There is evidence to back it up, and the current system employed by the coalition hasn't worked too well. Gordon Brown was one person, it's a bit unfair to define the whole of labour my him
    And yet everyone judges the Tories by Thatcher...
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    (Original post by a729)
    Popularity is fickle and ever changing

    Anyway Tony and New Labour didn't want a repeat of the 1980s leftie divisions which somewhat helped Thatcher win 3 times .

    Anyhow the London Mayor election is mostly personality not party - after all many Boris voters were/are normally labour voters! Hence independents with a high enough profile have a good chance of winning
    Precisely - Ken is hardly typical for a prominent Labour figure so I'd say it's a bit of a stretch to say his positions are those of Labour.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Precisely - Ken is hardly typical for a prominent Labour figure so I'd say it's a bit of a stretch to say his positions are those of Labour.
    I'M sure if he ran for leader of the labour party he would have got more trade union and votes from the (loony) lefties than David or maybe even Ed
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    (Original post by a729)
    I'M sure if he ran for leader of the labour party he would have got more trade union and votes from the (loony) lefties than David or maybe even Ed
    Maybe he would. But he hasn't and the New Labourites would try to keep him out anyway, like they tried to stop him in London in 2000.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Maybe he would. But he hasn't and the New Labourites would try to keep him out anyway, like they tried to stop him in London in 2000.
    But they failed in 2000!

    Bob Crow and his union buddies would have supported Ken over Ed ( it's a fact he wouldn't have won without union support)

    I'm sure old timers like Tony Benn would offer support to Ken
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    (Original post by a729)
    But they failed in 2000!
    Only because Ken was able to run as an independent, which he obviously couldn't do if he was running for Labour leader.

    Bob Crow and his union buddies would have supported Ken over Ed ( it's a fact he wouldn't have won without union support)
    Bob Crow is General Secretary of the RMT. The RMT isn't affliated to the Labour Party.

    I'm sure old timers like Tony Benn would offer support to Ken
    Interestingly, in the first Labour leadership election conducted under the electoral college system, the candidates were Benn and Neil Kinnock, and Kinnock won a larger majority with the unions than with the other voting blocs.

    Personally I'd love to see Ken as Labour leader, but the current party leadership is still dominated by New Labourites and they'd do everything they could to stop him, such stopping him getting enough nominations to run (like they did twice with John McDonnell).
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Only because Ken was able to run as an independent, which he obviously couldn't do if he was running for Labour leader.



    Bob Crow is General Secretary of the RMT. The RMT isn't affliated to the Labour Party.



    Interestingly, in the first Labour leadership election conducted under the electoral college system, the candidates were Benn and Neil Kinnock, and Kinnock won a larger majority with the unions than with the other voting blocs.

    Personally I'd love to see Ken as Labour leader, but the current party leadership is still dominated by New Labourites and they'd do everything they could to stop him, such stopping him getting enough nominations to run (like they did twice with John McDonnell).
    I'd love to see Red Ken as leader of Labour........They'd never get in.
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    (Original post by Barksy)
    1) They don't understand economics

    2) They are employed by government, if employed at all

    3) They are jealous

    4) They are champagne socialists

    5) They are weak so they want Big Brother to look after them

    6) They think it is the hip thing to do at University (suck it to da man)

    7) They are union thugs

    8) They are northern
    I'm northern and I wouldn't dream of voting for labour. Unless of course they changed their policies and then I'd have to review my stance.

    I've seen a lot of northern bashing lately and people saying that the only thing up here is a deep resentment of the south. Not seen any northerners hating on the south though!

    We aren't all impoverished scrounges up here. In fact where I live most of the constituencies are Tory! My town has been Tory for the last solid 20 years or so. Please don't make such broad generalisations. I'm sure there are many southerners that claim benefits and vote labour too.


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    They aren't the Conservatives, and they have the best chance of beating the Conservatives.
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    (Original post by Beckyweck)
    I'm northern and I wouldn't dream of voting for labour. Unless of course they changed their policies and then I'd have to review my stance.

    I've seen a lot of northern bashing lately and people saying that the only thing up here is a deep resentment of the south. Not seen any northerners hating on the south though!

    We aren't all impoverished scrounges up here. In fact where I live most of the constituencies are Tory! My town has been Tory for the last solid 20 years or so. Please don't make such broad generalisations. I'm sure there are many southerners that claim benefits and vote labour too.


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    I'm not southern myself, but generally the north is a Labour stronghold!
 
 
 
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