(Original post by Wilfred Little)
Keep dodging the question lad.
Would you rather be racially abused or have your brother knock your wife up.
With Suarez we aren't just talking about the racism incident. We're talking his other behaviour on the pitch. The lack of respect he shows to opponents and, more widely, the game. The bad example he shows to others in the game. Not that racism itself is bad enough. This can be explained by his tough upbringing, temperament, win at all costs attitude. But it happens.
As for your question I would prefer the former. But that's irrelevant. It doesn't make the fomer any more justified, and the act is committed against me. Because I prefer one or the other doesn't mean to say that one is "less bad", depending on circumstances. For example, what if I was physically or emotionally abusive to my wife? What if my brother has bipolar disorder and had an affair while in a Manic episode? How has my brother treat me over the years?
How can you judge on what a person is like, if you don't know them?
I'm fully willing to admit that Giggs might well be a complete and utter ****. But he's a model professional. That's all I care about. I've never looked to footballers as moral leaders off the pitch.
(Original post by A Perfect Circle)
Some serious cognitive dissonance in this thread. It's pretty obvious that, from what we know, Suarez is a far better person
I think I'm the only one who hasn't said Giggs is the worse person. Even if others condemn Suarez more they are in a small minority. I don't see how my views are some "serious cognitive dissonance". Neither have I said Suarez is the worst person.
I prefer Giggs as a footballer, and his behaviour on the pitch, which is ultimately all I can judge them on. As people I can't judge either as I don't know them.
I can be more critical and condemning of "my own" players, than players of other clubs. Even Liverpool players. But only for footballing reasons.
(Original post by White Dress)
River said Suarez is a scrote for handballing (presumably in the WC vs Ghana) ffs. I would do that 100 times out of 100 for my country and never feel a tinge of regret. That doesn't make you a scrote, it makes you a hero and a winner
Firstly, let me say that I defended Suarez at the time. I said that I can't say I wouldn't have acted the same if I was in the same position. You act according to instinct, your desire to win is so strong.
In fact, and apologies for bringing personal experience into this, when captaining my team in a school inter-house final (MANY years ago) I distinctly remember instructing a player to commit a professional foul should he need to.
So, no, I'm not referring solely to that handball.
Nevertheless, IF I had done this, I certainly wouldn't have viewed it as some noble, heroic act. It wasn't.
But regardless of what you think about it, to suggest that a footballing act is indicative of a bad personality shows the desperation in his argument.
You clearly haven't been reading or understanding my point, and it's not a difficult one. I've said I don't know Giggs so can't comment on his personality or character. Similarly Suarez. How does this mean I'm suggesting that football act
are indicative of a bad personality?
(Original post by White Dress)
Fwiw I don't exactly agree with everything Wilf has said, just that River has come across fairly pretentious and unrealistic here. Pretend that you have more life experience/are mature than all of us (judge us all in the process, exactly what you believe in not doing) but appreciate that your view is idealised and that you are actually just dodging the question.
Isn't personal experience important here? After all, I'm being directly asked what I do or don't want? Surely in order to answer that fairly I would need personal experience of both? The point about Samaritans wasn't meant in any pretentious way, it was to explain and emphasise the point that I try and remain non-judgemental in such matters. I think it's important when you don't know the people involved or situation.
Not dodging the question the question at all. I've answered them quite clearly. It's just not every question can be answered with a simple yes or no,
But yes, let's pretend the world is black and white. Let's pretend we know everyone and everything and can comment on the matters.
Anyway, I'm leaving this here as it's become circular and I know at least one of you is trying to wum. Just thought I'd introduce some interest discussion in the thread.