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VOTE: MHoC By-election (July 2014) Watch

  • View Poll Results: Who do you wish to elect as an MP in the TSR Model House of Commons?
    PicardianSocialist (sponsored by TSR Libertarian Party)
    9
    11.11%
    tehFrance (sponsored by TSR Conservative Party)
    22
    27.16%
    St. Brynjar (sponsored by TSR Green, TSR Socialist, and TSR Labour parties)
    32
    39.51%
    Ruitker (sponsored by TSR UKIP)
    5
    6.17%
    MacDaddi (sponsored by TSR Liberal Party)
    13
    16.05%
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    (Original post by O133)
    Perhaps an argument for by-elections to use a multi-step voting system.
    Nope, its an argument against dual endorsement and preventing parties that can't fill seats from running candidates.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    How do you mean?
    Either
    a. eliminate a candidate and have another vote, eliminate another candidate and have another vote etc.
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    b. eliminate all but the top two candidates and have another vote

    It would take time but would probably be fairer, not being able to have AV on here.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Nope, its an argument against dual endorsement and preventing parties that can't fill seats from running candidates.
    These are all officially independents so we can endorse who we like, perhaps you should have co-endorsed a candidate too.

    Which parties can't fill seats, because you clearly know things that I don't?
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    Results mostly as I expected. Amused to see UKIP come last.
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    (Original post by O133)
    Either
    a. eliminate a candidate and have another vote, eliminate another candidate and have another vote etc.
    or
    b. eliminate all but the top two candidates and have another vote

    It would take time but would probably be fairer, not being able to have AV on here.
    Apart from being time consuming, it makes the assumption each voter will vote in each round. For example, instead of having 5 votes for UKIP, it assume the UKIP voters will realise their candidate cannot win so vote for someone else. They could vote tactically to keep someone out or vote for their favourite, or just not vote. The latter ending in the same conclusion.

    Also, the left in the house is far larger than the right so the Conservatives or UKIP will have no chance of winning whatsoever. Assuming all voters vote in multiple rounds, even if the Libertarian and UKIP voters all went to the Conservatives, the left-wing candidate would still win by a sizeable majority. I can see why you support such a system...
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    Congratulations to the winning candidate!
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    (Original post by The Politisphere)
    Also, the left in the house is far larger than the right
    The results don't suggest this in the slightest.
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      (Original post by Rakas21)
      Nope, its an argument against dual endorsement and preventing parties that can't fill seats from running candidates.
      If you are having an election then you need to provide the option to all parties to field candidates. Truthfully, you cannot restrict the parties in any instance as for example, Ruitker could resign from UKIP, win the election and rejoin
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      (Original post by O133)
      The results don't suggest this in the slightest.
      Yes they do! The left received 45 votes and the right received 36 votes. This makes the assumption all Libertarian voters are right wing which, as we both know, is not the case.
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        I'm not at all surprised by the vote, I knew that once I saw a government endorsed candidate I'd lost. I'll continue to fight for the lost masses, the voices no one but I listen to!

        Congratulations to whomever it was that won, use your seat well
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        (Original post by The Politisphere)
        Yes they do! The left received 45 votes and the right received 36 votes. This makes the assumption all Libertarian voters are right wing which, as we both know, is not the case.
        The Liberals are certainly not of the left, they're at best centrist and at the moment centre-right.
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        (Original post by tehFrance)
        use your seat well
        I predict they will use it to propose and vote through legislation giving away more of your hard-earned cash to lazy sods down the job centre.
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        (Original post by Blue Meltwater)
        Results mostly as I expected. Amused to see UKIP come last.
        Why is it amusing?At least we managed to field a candidate.
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        I wish to give my on graduations to the government candidate and hopes he does well in serving us this term.
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        (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
        If you are having an election then you need to provide the option to all parties to field candidates. Truthfully, you cannot restrict the parties in any instance as for example, Ruitker could resign from UKIP, win the election and rejoin
        That's a failure of Jarred's and Faland's thinking in my opinion. When by-elections were created the first two saw party independents (the party would hold the seat but the manifestos would be independent) but also proper independents who could do as you say but the seat would be theirs and not the parties (though they could choose to join a party). Now for some reason Jarred decided that all candidates would be proper independents with a looser affiliation on paper and that precedent has carried on (indeed all candidates this time should have technically not been members of parties at the time of election).

        Small differences but oh well..
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        (Original post by O133)
        The Liberals are certainly not of the left, they're at best centrist and at the moment centre-right.
        We will have to disagree there as from reading the MHoC wiki page and the manifesto I would say they're centre-left. Even if they are dead centre, the left side is still larger
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        (Original post by The Politisphere)
        We will have to disagree there as from reading the MHoC wiki page and the manifesto I would say they're centre-left. Even if they are dead centre, the left side is still larger
        They are split 50/50 almost exactly.
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        (Original post by The Politisphere)
        I predict they will use it to propose and vote through legislation giving away more of your hard-earned cash to lazy sods down the job centre.
        Why, because your pension can't compare to the workshy skivers? Maybe you're just not hardworking enough?
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        (Original post by PhysicsKid)
        Why, because your pension can't compare to the workshy skivers? Maybe you're just not hardworking enough?
        Anyone serious about their future would not rely upon a pension. Invest your money wisely, enjoy the rewards throughout your life which will continue to reward after retirement. The naughties was the decade of pensioners selling of second properties for big paydays in the millions. However, for the record, my comment was a reference to what TehFrance said in another thread.

        (Original post by Cryptographic)
        They are split 50/50 almost exactly.
        a 50/50 split would still leave a bigger left side in the house Do you support the change in voting?
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        (Original post by The Politisphere)
        We will have to disagree there as from reading the MHoC wiki page and the manifesto I would say they're centre-left. Even if they are dead centre, the left side is still larger
        They're in a coalition with the Tories, that doesn't make them centre-left!

        Still assuming the Libers are right, I make it left 32, right 36 even excluding the Liberals. Only when you eliminate the Libertarian votes as well do the left have a majority.

        Simulating this under AV:

        Round 1
        Gov't 32
        Tory 22
        Liberal 13
        Liber 9
        UKIP 5

        Round 2 - UKIP votes transfer to Tory
        Gov't 32
        Tory 27
        Liberal 13
        Liber 9

        Round 3 - Liber votes transfer to Tory (this is the least likely transfer of the lot, in reality they may be split, and this would likely decide the outcome)
        Tory 36
        Gov't 32
        Liberal 13

        Round 4 - Liberal votes transfer to Tory
        Tory 49
        Gov't 32

        Outcome: tehFrance wins

        Obviously not the outcome I would have liked but certainly not unlikely.

        So in actual fact not the greatest of performances from a government that had 50% of the vote in the GE.
       
       
       
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