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    Nicky Morgan is my MP, she's made a bloody fast rise to the top, she only became a junior minister (in the Treasury) about 9 months ago, and since then she's been on the up. It feels weird to think that the person representing me is the new Gove. I expected her to be moving on up, but only to somewhere relatively junior like Culture or Transport with Javid going big places due to how they call him a future leader et al. But I suppose Cameron is keen to appeal to the female voter, which is definitely good in a way, it's long overdue that there are more women in the cabinet.

    I actually quite like Gove though, he is vilified as this evil, clueless dictator but I think that's just union PR, it's a lot easier to sell a cause if you got a Big Bad to unite the public against, we all love that trope. Whenever I ask someone with an irrational hatred of Gove why they hate him so much, they can give a couple of very weak reasons, but usually not a very convincing argument. I'm not going to say that he was perfect or that I agreed with everything he was doing, but I support bringing back a bit of rigour to our education system and I really hope it continues under Morgan. Teachers are overworked and underpaid, which something needs to be done about, but it's not unique to Gove or the Tories. The union leaders fronted an extremely aggressive approach to Gove from day one, they'll complain that he's doing everything out of ideology, but their main issue is also one of ideology, not that I really expected better from the big unions.

    I have no idea what Morgan's going to be doing in the role, I don't think I've ever seen her talk about education before. I suspect this is actually an attempt to sort of push education to the side for the final stretch, put someone relatively unknown and quiet in there so that it doesn't become one of the big issues of the election and the Tories can break out the big guns on things they feel more comfortable winning back voters with: the economy, immigration and Europe. Not that they have a chance of winning them back.
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    Hi [QUOTE=MrSupernova;48579591]
    Like China, you mean? [/ENDQUOTE]

    No, there shouldn't be a party at all. The best British National within the respected field should be placed in the post. They come with a wealth of knowledge and understanding within that field.

    They are then replaced after 6 years or so, by the individual whom is now at the top of that field. No ideologies, no parties, no whip, just the best individual for each position and a group of highly skilled individuals behind them. All lobbying also needs stopping. Lobbying for special interest groups will no longer be required.

    Computing might not be significantly required in industry at the scales of having every student study it. However being technologically literate, not only boosts personal security, it also helps society to maintain technological literacy. I am sure many children have taught their parents and senior family members, loads of useful, skills and knowledge.
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    Great decision, but perhaps too late.
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    My favourite response to this was Waterstones' :laugh:

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    I believe, personally, that Michael Gove should never have been the General Secretary for Education, his aims and ambitions were preposterous - "I want to make all schools like the school I went to when I was a child; I want the children of Great Britain to have a first class education". It's a lovely thought but he went to a private school that had the necessary funds to enhance its students experience. It's not a practical idea. As for his reforms, some were okay and some were absolutely ludicrous.

    I must admit, I threw my toys out of the pram when Gove made the GCSE's linear but having actually done that now, I think it's better. However, his ideas to scrub the traditional texts from English Literature was RIDICULOUS and also how he removed the Speaking & Listening tasks from GCSE English half-way through the year after we spent weeks doing them, was completely unnecessary and made us waste valuable lesson time. That should have never been allowed until the end of that GCSE year.

    Overall, I'm glad he was removed from that position.
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    (Original post by JayJay-C19)
    I believe, personally, that Michael Gove should never have been the General Secretary for Education, his aims and ambitions were preposterous - "I want to make all schools like the school I went to when I was a child; I want the children of Great Britain to have a first class education". It's a lovely thought but he went to a private school that had the necessary funds to enhance its students experience. It's not a practical idea. As for his reforms, some were okay and some were absolutely ludicrous.

    I must admit, I threw my toys out of the pram when Gove made the GCSE's linear but having actually done that now, I think it's better. However, his ideas to scrub the traditional texts from English Literature was RIDICULOUS and also how he removed the Speaking & Listening tasks from GCSE English half-way through the year after we spent weeks doing them, was completely unnecessary and made us waste valuable lesson time. That should have never been allowed until the end of that GCSE year.

    Overall, I'm glad he was removed from that position.
    I agree, he messed up gcses, and while linear are good, there were A LOT of other changes which made everything incredibly unclear, and his plans to scrap traditional texts were ridiculous.

    By chance i was on a summer course at parliament today, and so got to speak to Nicky Morgan (when it was arranged she wasn't yet education secretary!)

    She had only literally just got the job, so I wasn't really able to grill her on education, and while she did seem much more down to earth than Michael gove, there are still a few issues with her. Firstly, she does not support same sex marriage. This is a problem because in schools we should be teaching children that everyone is the same and that same sex marriages are acceptable, yet the person running our education system doesn't agree with them. Secondly, as with Michael gove, she knows jack **** about education. She's come directly from the treasury with no teaching experience and so she will lack a natural understanding of modern day education -- just like gove. Idk if she's really going to do a much better job...
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    (Original post by TheTechN1304)
    I agree, he messed up gcses, and while linear are good, there were A LOT of other changes which made everything incredibly unclear, and his plans to scrap traditional texts were ridiculous.

    By chance i was on a summer course at parliament today, and so got to speak to Nicky Morgan (when it was arranged she wasn't yet education secretary!)

    She had only literally just got the job, so I wasn't really able to grill her on education, and while she did seem much more down to earth than Michael gove, there are still a few issues with her. Firstly, she does not support same sex marriage. This is a problem because in schools we should be teaching children that everyone is the same and that same sex marriages are acceptable, yet the person running our education system doesn't agree with them. Secondly, as with Michael gove, she knows jack **** about education. She's come directly from the treasury with no teaching experience and so she will lack a natural understanding of modern day education -- just like gove. Idk if she's really going to do a much better job...
    I think we should have just kept Michael Gove then, but there should have been a process whereby his ideas were actually thoroughly thought through and denied permission to go further if necessary.
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    I have a dream.

    A dream where we actually wait and see what the new education secretary does rather than automatically reverting to ad hominem attacks on her views and automatically assuming she is incapable of divorcing those views from her new position.
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    I dont like the tone of your post.
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    Maybe Cameron wants to start a few new wars, and needs a reshuffle because he knows the current lot won't go along with it.

    You never know.
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    Reckon they'll halt a-level reforms or would they go ahead because too much has been invested already?
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    (Original post by Numberwang)
    What do you make of the decision to remove perhaps the most controversial Education Secretary in British political history?

    Is that Tony (I'll destroy every effing grammar school) Crosland; Margaret Thatcher (who went closest to achieving that aim); Our Shirl Williams (when she could be spared from the Grunwick picket line); Keith (the balance of our human stock is threatened) Joseph; Ken (I have seen the future and it smirks) Baker or Estelle (not up to the job) Morris?
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    Good. He was terrible.

    But putting a Homophobic Christian woman in his place wasn't the answer...
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    Is that Tony (I'll destroy every effing grammar school) Crosland; Margaret Thatcher (who went closest to achieving that aim); Our Shirl Williams (when she could be spared from the Grunwick picket line); Keith (the balance of our human stock is threatened) Joseph; Ken (I have seen the future and it smirks) Baker or Estelle (not up to the job) Morris?
    Before their time, Nulli. It's so deeply depressing to have such a long experience of incompetents of every political hue. Glad to be getting out of it, tbh.
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    It is a bad idea for Labour to attack the Tories for having too little women in their party and a bad idea theoretically for the Tories to reshuffle to create an image to please a vocal minority.

    Is it not sexist to attack a party for having too little female members? One should gain a job that is funded by the taxpayer based on merit not sex. But unfortunately, to be politically correct in these times means shifting towards a proportionate male female ratio rather than shifting to put the best people for the position.

    The annoying thing with the Gove scenario is middle class teachers in Unions were going to hate him from the start because of the party he is in. Putting a more rigorous education system is not a bad thing. Worst case scenario, if it means people would get a C grade instead of an A grade because the system is more rigorous, then the Universities entry requirements would go down anyway for their customers.

    Teacher Unions did not strike over the appalling results of the Labour education system yet when Gove tries to make the system more rigorous they do. Joke.
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    Thank ****. That's all I can say. let's hope the new one is better than him and reverses some of the changes that he rushed into. My dad is a teacher and his school held a party today once they found out
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    About time
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    A bad decision.

    While their were some wrong calls, he was pushing us in the right direction.
    Your use of the word "their" instead of "there" suggests otherwise.
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    A step in the right direction would be getting a bigger budget and making a bigger effort to stop the teenage smoking, porn, drug consumption that causes many many thousands severe Hypofrontality. Nobody has helped us. Get back January exams. IMHO.
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    (Original post by BillyLevin)
    Your use of the word "their" instead of "there" suggests otherwise.
    I did GCSE's before Gove.
 
 
 
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