Sould Sharia law be tolerated in the UK??
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Original post by democracyforum
Yes.
Because we're a tolerant multicultural society founded on human rights and equality.
Because we're a tolerant multicultural society founded on human rights and equality.
GREAT.
"shari'ah law" just means laws according to the moral code of a prophetic religion. Arabic-speaking people would consider a fair few nominally Christian countries to have once followed or in some cases still be following shari'ah laws; the prophetic religion in that case being Christianity. Within Islam, shari'ah laws are laws which are just and appropriate to follow as they obey the moral code set out within Islam, but there is no specific set of which laws are shari'ah. There are some commonalities, but almost every different version of the Islamic faith has a different interpretation or understanding (fiqh) of what is shari'ah. Some versions of fiqh, like the Ja'jari school associated with Twelver Shia, stress the necessity of compromise (dynamic fiqh) with respect to time, location, venue, and so on - a sort of Islamic version of "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's" in that they allow for the just law, within reason, to be one that abides with the laws of the state a Muslim might find themselves within.
Even at the point this is not an option, shari'ah law does not necessarily have to come directly into conflict with secular law. In many Western countries, civil law effectively allows for disputants to be judged by any standard which both of them would agree to prior to the beginning of the trial. A long-standing example of this in the United Kingdom is Beth Din courts, Jewish courts, in which Orthodox Jews can submit civil law cases to be judged according to a rabbinical interpretation of halakha, Jewish law. Many Muslims who want sharia'ah law are actually just pushing for easier ways to have rulings derived from a fiqh to which they both consent allowed and integrated into the civil circuits. It's worth double-checking what exactly any group is asking for before assuming the worst of them.
Even at the point this is not an option, shari'ah law does not necessarily have to come directly into conflict with secular law. In many Western countries, civil law effectively allows for disputants to be judged by any standard which both of them would agree to prior to the beginning of the trial. A long-standing example of this in the United Kingdom is Beth Din courts, Jewish courts, in which Orthodox Jews can submit civil law cases to be judged according to a rabbinical interpretation of halakha, Jewish law. Many Muslims who want sharia'ah law are actually just pushing for easier ways to have rulings derived from a fiqh to which they both consent allowed and integrated into the civil circuits. It's worth double-checking what exactly any group is asking for before assuming the worst of them.
Original post by ubi1
People like are the reason why MGTOW exists
Exactly, how dare I believe in equality
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Original post by Sanji
Answering the question shariah law cannot be implemented in the UK because, although it is a very good law ( in decreases crime rates: look at Saudi) it cannot be used in the Uk as the citizens cannot see the benefit it will bring. And this is because that some muslims already make Islam look bad, people do not look at muslims the right way because of those who are not on the right path and so they cannot see the real beauty of Islam. Making the law in Uk to Shariah law would jut be waste because no one can really see the aim of it, they will think jus as many look at islam as 'bad'. Maybe if the muslims in the Uk could change and show the non muslims the beauty and peacefulness of islam slowly bringing about shariah law would work but at this moment and time it would jus be useless and make muslims look bad.
It does not decrease crime. It hides it. Until 2013 Saudi didn't even have a law for domestic abuse, which meant that husbands can't be prosecuted for beating the **** out of their wives. This is a direct influence of the Sharia system as there exists a hadith which says "a man shall not be asked why he beat his wife". Of course, Muhammad also said "the best among you are those who treat their wives well", but that doesn't abrogate contradict the former directive!
All metrics show that domestic abuse is a serious problem in all countries where the legal system is influenced by Sharia. Here is the wiki page with stats. Note that even the percentages can lie since in the West, women report even a slap as abuse, which I doubt would happen in an Islamic country.
Furthermore, a woman can't even speak out if she is raped. She's in danger of being accused of having violated her "purdah" (bs word meaning she was not decent, with her male guardian etc) which may result in heavier punishment for her than her rapist! Here is the page on 'rape in Saudi'. It shows what may happen to a woman who is raped and why I would not believe any statistics provided by the KSA.
Original post by IceJJFish(II)
All but the first who's my older brother.
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Civil law > religious law
Civil law permits you to abstain from eating pork. Sharia is ok.
Civil law doesnt let you rape or kill people of other religions. Sharia isnt ok.
Depends on the issue right?
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Civil law permits you to abstain from eating pork. Sharia is ok.
Civil law doesnt let you rape or kill people of other religions. Sharia isnt ok.
Depends on the issue right?
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