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That is your view and I respect your right to have a view. Anyways most Indian students apply to Russell Group unis with an eye to secure a job and then hopefully British citizenship. Most Chinese students apply to almost any British uni that is willing to accept them. After they complete their degrees they then cross over to America or Canada to do their Masters and settle down there. There don't want to return to China because they can't stand being ruled by the Chinese Communist Party.
Chinese students are aware that ex-polys are considered rubbish.
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Chinese students are aware that ex-polys are considered rubbish.
frankly i don't believe in uni rankings or their so called traditional reputation. british unis of the past and now are very different. in the past you had really good solid lecturers, many of them who were knighted (back in the day knight-ships were hard to earn and receive, nowadays its like toilet paper). now you have some lecturers in top unis who can't speak a proper word of english, who cannot deliver a lecture properly, who are extremely boring and offer no incentive for students to attend their lectures and the list goes on.

so it begs the question. are we selecting unis based on the reputation of the uni (A) or how good a lecturer is so that we can fully understand the subject content of our degree course (B)? if its (A) then I rather study for a degree on a distance learning basis since the lecturers on campus are gonna be terrible anyway.

Im unsure if you're aware of the teaching quality in most unis not being worth the high fees.
http://www.bbc.com/news/education-33204691
http://www.theguardian.com/education...question-value
http://www.independent.co.uk/student...r-2244627.html
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/201...rsity-rip-off/
http://mancunion.com/2015/02/25/univ...t-of-students/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...-question.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...nts-claim.html

most chinese students I know are not interested in studying in a british uni. they only do so to appease their ultra rich parents who want them to have a british education. many of these chinese students struggle with IELTS so much so that many of them get someone to sit the tests for them.
http://www.theguardian.com/education...-test-cheating
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_22159695.htm
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/money...eaten-students
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/socie...nation-british
http://www.icaltefl.com/ielts-scores-withheld-in-china
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(Original post by Blur Ella)
frankly i don't believe in uni rankings or their so called traditional reputation. british unis of the past and now are very different. in the past you had really good solid lecturers, many of them who were knighted (back in the day knight-ships were hard to earn and receive, nowadays its like toilet paper). now you have some lecturers in top unis who can't speak a proper word of english, who cannot deliver a lecture properly, who are extremely boring and offer no incentive for students to attend their lectures and the list goes on.

so it begs the question. are we selecting unis based on the reputation of the uni (A) or how good a lecturer is so that we can fully understand the subject content of our degree course (B)? if its (A) then I rather study for a degree on a distance learning basis since the lecturers on campus are gonna be terrible anyway.

Im unsure if you're aware of the teaching quality in most unis not being worth the high fees.
http://www.bbc.com/news/education-33204691
http://www.theguardian.com/education...question-value
http://www.independent.co.uk/student...r-2244627.html
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/201...rsity-rip-off/
http://mancunion.com/2015/02/25/univ...t-of-students/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...-question.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...nts-claim.html

most chinese students I know are not interested in studying in a british uni. they only do so to appease their ultra rich parents who want them to have a british education. many of these chinese students struggle with IELTS so much so that many of them get someone to sit the tests for them.
http://www.theguardian.com/education...-test-cheating
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_22159695.htm
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/money...eaten-students
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/socie...nation-british
http://www.icaltefl.com/ielts-scores-withheld-in-china
I've been reading through your posts and you are posting absolute crap. Stop generalising and posting racist rubbish.


For the record, before you say I'm being defensive, I study/studied at two of the top 5, including Oxbridge, on arguably their most competitive courses. It's just absolute tripe you are posting.

Researchers are there to research not teach, we generally have that function. It doesn't matter if we can't speak English. My supervisor is one of THE leading academics in the world and speaks broken English, no one cares. If you listen to him, you'll realise he's more insightful than 99.9% of people.

Most Chinese students you know.. Great generalisation. Despite fact, the Indians and Chinese have consistently been shown to score the highest marks in British schools and make up a large body of university population. They aren't spending their parents' money in the UK to have a jolly good time. They have high suicide rates because they feel so pressured to do well.

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All you neeks getting overexcited might want to chilllllllllll
'neek'

it's been a while since I heard that word :rofl:
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I don't really understand how you think you are in the right to give this opinion about these universities i.e. Manchester Met and Oxford Brookes? It's just incredibly offensive?!
lol.
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I've been reading through your posts and you are posting absolute crap. Stop generalising and posting racist rubbish.


For the record, before you say I'm being defensive, I study/studied at two of the top 5, including Oxbridge, on arguably their most competitive courses. It's just absolute tripe you are posting.

Researchers are there to research not teach, we generally have that function. It doesn't matter if we can't speak English. My supervisor is one of THE leading academics in the world and speaks broken English, no one cares. If you listen to him, you'll realise he's more insightful than 99.9% of people.

Most Chinese students you know.. Great generalisation. Despite fact, the Indians and Chinese have consistently been shown to score the highest marks in British schools and make up a large body of university population. They aren't spending their parents' money in the UK to have a jolly good time. They have high suicide rates because they feel so pressured to do well.

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sure.
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I have to say, this thread is a fantastic piece of the TSR stereotype. I'd expect snow in July before TSR stops arguing over rankings and reputations. IMO an institution is overrated if its rankings are inflated by independent factors (i.e. cases where your average Oxbridge student does more in life than a Brookes student purely because they are the type of person who can get into Oxbridge, not because they went to such and such college) or a vague, self-fulfilling notion of 'reputation' that doesn't actually account for metrics such as teaching quality, resources, difficulty of exams etc. For the first bit, it would seem basically impossible to delineate who has been successful for independent reasons or university reasons - The Economist had a go with some US University rankings a few weeks ago, though - well worth a look. For 'reputation' I just think it goes against the whole idea of academia; if you're not building your judgement of an institution on what it empirically does (it's difficult but doable) but purely what you think it does, then how is the aggregate of those perspectives actually reflective of anything other than general opinion?

(Of course factoring in stuff like 'where do graduate employers target?' into a 'graduate employment' metric has its uses, but, as is pointed out many times on TSR, that really only applies for students looking to work in certain industries. It might be useful if tables were produced for Law/Banking-type students that do factor in these metrics.)

Edit: I'm hoping that in the future there will be more cases like Surrey etc who fly up the rankings because they are actually doing things right, as opposed to just relying on the vague, qualitative 'reputation' I described above. The recent HE Green Paper arguably is trying to push things down this path by focusing institutions on the teaching and soft-skills building experience.
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(Original post by King of the Ring)
I'd replace Durham with Birmingham for sure. Who in India or China has heard of Durham?
No one in India or China has heard of Birmingham either.
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No one in India or China has heard of Birmingham either.
They have, it is one of the main ones they choose or are expected to choose.
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Oh look. Another thread from someone who probably got into Oxbridge and now has a superiority complex over those who haven't.

Why am I not surprised.
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ffs what am I doing here, I have a history essay due in tomoro
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Harvard is overrated, MIT is better
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How do you even rank a university? What determines that one is "better" than another? They are all separate establishments and cannot be compared effectively
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ffs what am I doing here, I have a history essay due in tomoro
same man, same (but a law essay instead of history)

da struggle is real
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How do you even rank a university? What determines that one is "better" than another? They are all separate establishments and cannot be compared effectively
Agreed.
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