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    (Original post by democracyforum)
    They now include legalising being a member of ISIS
    No, they want to criminalise people's actions instead of criminalising people's thoughts. Why are you in favour of the thought police?
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    No, they want to criminalise people's actions instead of criminalising people's thoughts. Why are you in favour of the thought police?
    Action follows thought
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    (Original post by democracyforum)
    Action follows thought
    But you cannot punish somebody for their thoughts. That's just ridiculous

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    Andrew Neil dissects shambolic Green Party policy in a humiliating interview.

    Assassination begins at 4:10.

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    (Original post by reallydontknow)
    But you cannot punish somebody for their thoughts. That's just ridiculous

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    It depends on the case, each case needs to be looked at an individual level by a judge and jury.
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    She stayed calm but he did indeed poke holes in every policy, highlighting the Greens lack of well thought out analysis.
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    (Original post by democracyforum)
    It depends on the case, each case needs to be looked at an individual level by a judge and jury.
    No, that's ridiculous

    Anybody can doubt the holocaust, that's fine, even saying the holocaust didn't happen is legal in Britain, but let's say in a country where holocaust denial is illegal like France, it's not illegal to think it.

    That is the start of a society that is just crazy, it's so unjust.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Easily


    Not sure it's really that comparable. Post war there were huge debts and massive spending required to rebuild, last I cheeked half of London hasn't been flattered over the last few years

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    There are huge debts now. There is definitely spending that is required, on the NHS, on comprehensive education, on green industry and on housing. Why has this government adopted austerity policies, the opposite to what actually works? Because it doesn't work, it's just a Conservative party trying to weaken the role of the state.

    When the world runs out of the resources that are the starting point for economic growth, how will it continue to grow?
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    I'll give you an example of a zero growth economy.

    A company employs 10 people. Through an efficiecy saving and the introduction of better management techniques, you can do the same job with 5 people.

    If you keep ten people on yiuve just expanded the economy.

    If you let 5 people go to maintain a zero growth economy, there's now 5 people unemployed who will never find work elsewhere because other company's aren't growing to take them on.
    Spelling mistakes aside, you sound like your advocating spending for the purpose of keeping people in employment. I would agree with this, were you trying to disagree with me?
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    (Original post by reallydontknow)
    But you cannot punish somebody for their thoughts. That's just ridiculous

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    Nor should you.. but joining a terrorist organisation or campaigning in support is beyond thought and into action, from there you are only a few steps to taking violent action.

    (Original post by Lawrence1234)
    There are huge debts now. There is definitely spending that is required, on the NHS, on comprehensive education, on green industry and on housing. Why has this government adopted austerity policies, the opposite to what actually works? Because it doesn't work, it's just a Conservative party trying to weaken the role of the state.

    When the world runs out of the resources that are the starting point for economic growth, how will it continue to grow?
    Your later point is largely irrelevant since we've firstly not extracted resources from anywhere below 2km underground and secondly because we are already seeking alternatives in space.

    Resources right now are finite but finite for coal for example is several centuries worth. It's entirely probable that before the century is out, we will have moved to a system of abundance.
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    (Original post by Lawrence1234)
    Spelling mistakes aside, you sound like your advocating spending for the purpose of keeping people in employment. I would agree with this, were you trying to disagree with me?
    Not at all. Just demonstrating zero growth economy doesn't work. You need growth to employ new people coming into the job market.
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    (Original post by Lawrence1234)
    There are huge debts now. There is definitely spending that is required, on the NHS, on comprehensive education, on green industry and on housing. Why has this government adopted austerity policies, the opposite to what actually works? Because it doesn't work, it's just a Conservative party trying to weaken the role of the state.
    Because part of the job of the government should be to balance the books, and you can only implement so much taxation. All borrowing does is defer the debt, that means that we will be paying for it and not our parents and grandparents. We pay for their irresponsibility

    When the world runs out of the resources that are the starting point for economic growth, how will it continue to grow?
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    The same way it always has, with new resources or looking further afield. As Rakas has said, we have only considered a tiny fraction of the resources available to us, the easiest to get, but when they run dry, we go for harder stuff so mining asteroids or deeper in the crust; or perhaps go for a completely new replacement so when the resource runs dry we don't need it anymore, as is the case with coal and oil. Remember how coal used to be a big thing? Yeah, like that.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    No, they want to criminalise people's actions instead of criminalising people's thoughts. Why are you in favour of the thought police?
    Joining ISIS is an action.

    It is like saying we should not have prosecuted the handful of Brits who joined the SS in WWII because in the end they didn't personally murder any Jews.

    btw, do the Greens want to repeal incitement to racial and religious hatred laws? My guess is no.
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    (Original post by Observatory)
    Joining ISIS is an action.

    It is like saying we should not have prosecuted the handful of Brits who joined the SS in WWII because in the end they didn't personally murder any Jews.

    btw, do the Greens want to repeal incitement to racial and religious hatred laws? My guess is no.
    But when "joining" means nothing more than expressing your support how is that anything other than a state restriction on what you're allowed to think? When joining means more than expressing support then you have an action that you can prosecute them for.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    But when "joining" means nothing more than expressing your support how is that anything other than a state restriction on what you're allowed to think? When joining means more than expressing support then you have an action that you can prosecute them for.
    Joining what claims to be the army of what claims to be a state, and in a subordinate role no less, is wilful entry in a joint enterprise to exercise political violence. In this case, unlawful aggressive violence against states that are members of the UN and recognised by the UK as sovereign, and in opposition to British foreign policy.

    It is not convincing to say that someone meant none of that merely because they happened to get caught before they could physically contribute to those actions, any more than it would be OK to plot a murder and then bleat that your right to create and share murder plans freely is being infringed.

    As I said I doubt the Greens even carry this logic through consistently, they just do not think it is fundamentally immoral to support ISIS, and want to facilitate it in any way that could be publicly acceptable.
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    (Original post by Observatory)
    Joining what claims to be the army of what claims to be a state, and in a subordinate role no less, is wilful entry in a joint enterprise to exercise political violence. In this case, unlawful aggressive violence against states that are members of the UN and recognised by the UK as sovereign, and in opposition to British foreign policy.

    It is not convincing to say that someone meant none of that merely because they happened to get caught before they could physically contribute to those actions, any more than it would be OK to plot a murder and then bleat that your right to create and share murder plans freely is being infringed.

    As I said I doubt the Greens even carry this logic through consistently, they just do not think it is fundamentally immoral to support ISIS, and want to facilitate it in any way that could be publicly acceptable.
    Except planning to murder someone is illegal, as is planning terror attacks. You already have the actions to prosecute there, so why is there this pressing need to criminalise not only peoples actions, but peoples thoughts as well?

    The last part of your post is hilarious as well, yes the Green Party are secretly supporting ISIS :lol:
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    Except planning to murder someone is illegal, as is planning terror attacks. You already have the actions to prosecute there, so why is there this pressing need to criminalise not only peoples actions, but peoples thoughts as well?

    The last part of your post is hilarious as well, yes the Green Party are secretly supporting ISIS :lol:
    Joining a criminal enterprise is an act, not a thought. It is not illegal to express support of IS in the abstract.

    The Green party do not want to be ruled by IS but they have no need to fear that because more practical people stand between them and such an outcome. They sympathise with many of IS's claims about the West.
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    (Original post by Observatory)
    Joining a criminal enterprise is an act, not a thought. It is not illegal to express support of IS in the abstract.

    The Green party do not want to be ruled by IS but they have no need to fear that because more practical people stand between them and such an outcome. They sympathise with many of IS's claims about the West.
    How do you join an organisation like IS? Is there a join today section on islamicstate.co.is or something? The fact remains that if you do anything that aids or supports IS then you have committed a seperate offence and you can be punished for that.

    By some of their claims you mean that they are anti-imperialist? Being anti-imperialist does not make you a supporter of IS.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    How do you join an organisation like IS? Is there a join today section on islamicstate.co.is or something? The fact remains that if you do anything that aids or supports IS then you have committed a seperate offence and you can be punished for that.
    If the criminal act you believe should not be criminal is impossible to commit anyway, what's the problem? It's just wiggling at this point.

    By some of their claims you mean that they are anti-imperialist? Being anti-imperialist does not make you a supporter of IS.
    All British parties are anti-imperialist. The Greens are more like the people on the far right who give Hitler salutes at their demos. Of course indeed they do not literally want Germany to have conquered Britain, destroyed its institutions, and reduced it to a subordinate state in Europe. But they wouldn't mind a lot of darkies getting killed.
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    Hurray, Greece, with a budget deficit nearing 200% of GDP, with a free falling economy that is struggling to meet its bailout agreements in which WE gave them hundreds of billions of dollars to pay off their creditors, wants to go on a bloody spending spree. What a brilliant idea. These clowns lived far beyond their means in the 90's and 00's off of borrowed money and poorly managed their debt and they want to go down that route again. Sorry Greece but the world doesn't take you seriously anymore. Syriza will be disastrous for Greece if they walk off the Euro to build their own doomed currency and that will be a disaster for all of Europe. Way to screw things up Greece, I thought you were supposed to be good with maths hmmm
 
 
 
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