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    (Original post by A5ko)
    I've yet to meet a qualified Doctor/SpR/Consultant who went into medicine for the money.
    I'm not sure how many people in any profession will just say to your face that they wanted money and status or that the world scares them and they didn't want something where they would have to move company every three years. If you ask a successful builder he will tell you he takes satisfaction from creating things that will shape peoples' lives and hopefully still be standing after he is dead. Nonetheless, it wasn't lego Eiffel towers he chose to build, but rather something that would sell.
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    (Original post by nexttime)
    Well you kind of do get that in the states and used to here - lots of drug companies are willing to pay handsomely for doctors to use their products.

    Its frowned upon here in the UK though.
    This sounds good for the doctor however it is concerning if a doctor would prescribe me something that necessarily is not the best medicine for the disease I have. I guess doctors are tempted as its nice to have extra money.
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    (Original post by T.I.P)
    the doctors in poor countries are better as they dont rely on Google.
    Generally speaking, doctors in poorer countries (and older doctors here) are far more status-driven and as such yes it would be seen as terrible for them to use Google, or ask anyone else at all. If they didn't know something they tend to just make it up. Younger doctors are however taught to put the patient first, and so do look things up if they don't recognise any particular pattern. The former appears more knowledgeable and tends to earn the big £££. The latter helps patients.
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    (Original post by A5ko)
    In regards to Nurses.



    You couldn't be more wrong.
    I assumed more supply will limit wages. Do tell me then why i'm wrong
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    This sounds good for the doctor however it is concerning if a doctor would prescribe me something that necessarily is not the best medicine for the disease I have.
    Well sure, but that's how the private sector works. People are saying that the comparison to footballers is ridiculous because they are what the private sector demands - well if you made medicine private wages would explode upwards too (as is the case in the US) and doctors could start doing **** like the above.
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    (Original post by T.I.P)
    Couldnt disagree more, all they do is google your symptoms (right infront of you to) I could easily be a doctor in 6 months, dunno why they have to go med school
    I've been googling things for 4 years and I'm still learning new tomes of things every day.
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    In the US and Canada doctors get paid much more, so I would have to say yes, doctors do deserve a pay rise. With a base salary for a 20 year consultant only at 100,000 I believe they should be getting paid 150,000 base salary. That would ensure fewer leave the country.
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    (Original post by Etomidate)
    I've been googling things for 4 years and I'm still learning new tomes of things every day.
    A Blue Peter badge is on its way in the post to you right now!

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    (Original post by TurboCretin)
    Apparently not - student loan for the first four years. After that, your fees are paid by the NHS bursary scheme.

    Different arrangements apply to grad-entry medicine, such that you end up paying a fair bit more (necessitating both student loans and self-funding arrangements).

    http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore...s-in-medicine/
    They're lucky, I'm doing Cardiac Physiology (under Healthcare Science or whatever they like to call it) and we don't get funded by the NHS - I think we're the only ones who don't, so we have to fund the 50 weeks of placement over the 3 years of our degree by ourselves (albeit we get a 'partial' grant of £1750 per year at Soton, other Uni's aren't so lucky). And as I want to do graduate entry medicine, I don't think I'll qualify for funding, which is fantastic.


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    (Original post by bittr n swt)
    I thought i read the stupidest and retarded thing this morning but this really does put the icing on the cake.
    Yes, sorry, it was quite stupid of me to not mention Imperial. You won't die or be diagnosed wrongly from someone graduating from Imperial either.
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    (Original post by The_Internet)
    a) I was saying that 45K is the average wage (with a question mark)
    b) You said that's a terrible wage
    c) Considering that I was talking about the average wage, I asked you what IS the average wage then
    d) I also pointed out that 45K is a five figure salary, and not a 6 figure salary. For someone who is telling someone they have no comprehension skills, I think you could apply some of that advice to yourself...
    Mate, stop arguing when you clearly stated the wrong figure.

    The "average" wage doesn't mean ****, £45k is achievable with bandings as a FY2/ST1 (2-3 years out of Med School). No middle aged doctor (presumably GPs or Consultants by then) will be on £45k - none.

    The average is like taking the extreme end of an FY1 and a Consultant/GP - comparing them then coming to some bull**** number. Medicine is pretty lock-step I'd you pass all the exams and progress at each stage - averages are useless as salary data for each level is available on the NHS website.

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    (Original post by Smash Bandicoot)
    Would prefer to see a nurse's salary rise
    This. And who else to back you up than Sypro dragon
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    (Original post by Princepieman)
    Mate, stop arguing when you clearly stated the wrong figure.

    The "average" wage doesn't mean ****, £45k is achievable with bandings as a FY2/ST1 (2-3 years out of Med School). No middle aged doctor (presumably GPs or Consultants by then) will be on £45k - none.

    The average is like taking the extreme end of an FY1 and a Consultant/GP - comparing them then coming to some bull**** number. Medicine is pretty lock-step I'd you pass all the exams and progress at each stage - averages are useless as salary data for each level is available on the NHS website.

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    I asked with a question mark, when someone said what I thought the average wage was. The argument stemmed from there. I then asked what IS the average wage. If you read back, I think you'll see that

    Basically it initially went something like this

    Other person: What do you think doctors get paid?
    Me: 45K?

    And then the argument started.I did also ask for the median wage somewhere as well.
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    I don't even think that that user was talking about how much the wages are, he was just saying that 45k is a horrific wage (i.e. not a decent amount), not that the figure stated was wrong.
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    (Original post by Maria1812)
    That is a big debt and footballers,celebrities who do not save life but are millionaires do you think it is fair? ?
    This makes no difference. Footballers and celebrities earn money from people paying for entertainment. There are a lot less of them so they get a much bigger cut.

    Doctors are paid through taxes. If you'd be happy paying the price of a football season ticket extra in taxes each year then they could get paid more, but since there's so many of them it wouldn't be much.
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    (Original post by Ritterschaft)
    Of course not, they have money stuffed down their throats as it is. The amount they're paid could pay for three doctors in France
    **** off
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    (Original post by Friar Chris)
    Who aren't as important or irreplaceable as the teachers' unions constantly make out.

    All the terrified hype about 'untrained' teachers in schools? People without formal teaching qualifications have been doing so for years and years; the lies and whining about 'oh think of the children' is merely teachers with teaching degrees trying to protect their monopoly on teaching jobs so that there isn't as much competition in the market for their employment.
    Good post.
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    (Original post by The_Internet)
    Think I told you before (And the other docs) that you guys defs deserve more, however as you guys work for the NHS, it's harder to justify higher wages unfortunately. The newspapers are ********s like that tbh, but then I think it's not always a bad thing too. Most doctors won't be motivated by money in this country, but some will be, and then you at least get more doctors training here

    The media does overplay how much docs get paid tbh, and tbh, the way I see it is if you're qualified to be a doc, you're probably able to go in to other jobs too, where you can actually earn even more money. And tbh, that's what I like about medics in the UK. The fact that you guys generally don't go in it for the money, which makes the general public trust doctors more than say the United States.

    Didn't nurses not even get a 1% rise? Yet politicians got a 10% rise in pay?
    Nurses did get a 1% raise, but that is pre - tax and only for the lower bands of nursing. And due to the nhs now becoming a 7-day service, unsocial hours pay will also most likely be scrapped which I know will cause a lot of nurses to turn away from the nhs.

    RE thread: I think at the start of your medical career you're not paid a great deal, but you're also not liable for a lot of things - you're still working under a consultant and learning as well. When you get to specialisms, consultancy and GP you definitely start earning a greater deal of money. Most of the medical students at my trust have doctor parents and/or went to private school, so medicine is definitely a safe career choice for them. As previously mentioned medicine has a high retention rate and low turnover rate. Training a doctor costs a lot of money so when you compare how much they pay in debt it's a lot less to how much they could actually end up paying. While I know this thread is about doctors pay, other health professionals won't get paid anywhere near as much money. Nurses who get to the highest point in band 5 are paid the same as junior doctors fresh out of uni. And while I believe every health professional should be paid more, it cannot be done, the NHS simply cannot afford it.
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    (Original post by Absorbaloff)
    Nurses did get a 1% raise, but that is pre - tax and only for the lower bands of nursing. And due to the nhs now becoming a 7-day service unsocial hours will also most likely be scrapped which I know will cause a lot of nurses to turn away from the nhs.

    RE thread: I think at the start of your medical career you're not paid a great deal, but you're also not liable for a lot of things - you're still working under a consultant and learning as well. When you get to specialisms, consultancy and GP you definitely start earning a greater deal of money. Most of the medical students at my trust have doctor parents and/or went to private school, so medicine is definitely a safe career choice for them. As previously mentioned medicine has a high retention rate and low turnover rate. Training a doctor costs a lot of money so when you compare how much they pay in debt it's a lot less to how much they could actually end up paying. While I know this thread is about doctors pay, other health professionals won't get paid anywhere near as much money. Nurses who get to the highest point in band 5 are paid the same as junior doctors fresh out of uni. And while I believe every health professional should be paid more, it cannot be done, the NHS simply cannot afford it.

    Thank you for your answer there are some good points you made there very detailed
 
 
 

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