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    (Original post by whorace)
    Right. Ask them to give you your money back. If you showed them these posts they probably would because they wouldn't want to be associated with such an idiot.
    I didn't pay anything. :lol:
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    (Original post by Meyrin)
    I didn't pay anything. :lol:
    Good because you didn't receive anything.
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    (Original post by whorace)
    Good because you didn't receive anything.
    Shots have officially been fired

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    (Original post by whorace)
    Good because you didn't receive anything.
    I see. So I learned maths, literature, languages, physics, chemistry, history, art... but clearly it's nothing in the face of not immediately recognising Lord Fartleysworth of Worceglostershire who was Prime Minister over a century ago.
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    (Original post by Meyrin)
    I see. So I learned maths, literature, languages, physics, chemistry, history, art... but clearly it's nothing in the face of not immediately recognising Lord Fartleysworth of Worceglostershire who was Prime Minister over a century ago.
    ... Lloyd George (the only working class, Welsh PM) and Asquith were Prime Minister during the First World War. Atlee served in the Churchill war coalition and then led the Labour party in the most historic victory of the party, introducing the NHS and Harold Wilson was the Labour PM after thirteen years of Conservative rule when the Atlee ministry left.

    You might have learned about languages, maths, sciences and art, but you clearly learned nothing about history.
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    (Original post by whorace)
    ... Lloyd George (the only working class, Welsh PM) and Asquith were Prime Minister during the First World War. Atlee served in the Churchill war coalition and then led the Labour party in the most historic victory of the party, introducing the NHS and Harold Wilson was the Labour PM after thirteen years of Conservative rule when the Atlee ministry left.

    You might have learned about languages, maths, sciences and art, but you clearly learned nothing about history.
    Fascinating. Do go on, I'm on the edge of my seat. What's next? Don't tell me... another old white man with an extremely similar set of beliefs to the previous one becomes Prime Minister, achieves something of minor note and is succeeded by another old white man? We really did miss the bulk of the historical action in my classes, it seems!
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    (Original post by Meyrin)
    Fascinating. Do go on, I'm on the edge of my seat. What's next? Don't tell me... another old white man with an extremely similar set of beliefs to the previous one becomes Prime Minister, achieves something of minor note and is succeeded by another old white man? We really did miss the bulk of the historical action in my classes, it seems!
    Minor note? Establishing the NHS, abolishing absolute poverty, introducing social insurance to prevent accident, unemployment, sickness and old age, beating Germany in two world wars. Go **** yourself you uneducated idiot.
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    (Original post by whorace)
    Minor note? Establishing the NHS, abolishing absolute poverty, introducing social insurance to prevent accident, unemployment, sickness and old age, beating Germany in two world wars. Go **** yourself you uneducated idiot.
    I'm sorry. I can see your old white male politicians are deeply important to you. I won't make fun of them any more. Don't be sad.
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    The idiot above is an excellent example of why I will never vote Labour ever. I am not even a Tory voter, having voted Lib Dem the other day. The politics of envy, jealousy and disrespect for ambition and education.
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    I am sick of seeing these debates just become page after page of ad hominem. Enough, guys. If you don't have anything respectful to say to each other, don't say anything at all.

    We all had reasons for voting for our respective political parties. We don't need to carry the animosity on.
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    (Original post by pfm)
    I am sick of seeing these debates just become page after page of ad hominem. Enough, guys. If you don't have anything respectful to say to each other, don't say anything at all.

    We all had reasons for voting for our respective political parties. We don't need to carry the animosity on.
    Holdup everyone!

    We have Gandy over here

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    (Original post by T.I.P)
    Holdup everyone!

    We have Gandy over here

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    Do you mean Gandhi?
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    I understand the argument. The problem is that seeing the dogma in spending and tax cuts but not seeing the dogma in spending and tax rises makes you appear quite thoughtlessly uncritical of your own position.

    Many of us do not like increases in state spending where they can be avoided, partly because they're difficult to reverse once they start. This isn't fundamentally more 'ideological' or even 'dogmatic' than wanting the state to spend more.
    I don't really think I'm dogmatic about spending for its own sake, and I certainly haven't mentioned tax rises (I wonder when that VAT rise is going to come?)

    It's Osborne that's the one who's kept spending. His borrowing surpassed the entire Labour term in just 3 years. The graph you showed was entirely due to the upturn in the economy and not any actual austerity. This recovery is based on the natural economic cycle and the housing bubble, not any (or at any rate not much) actual growth caused by Tory policy.

    The continued high borrowing and spending is because when you try to cut people's public services they don't just magically disappear or go off and get jobs or whatever, they just pop up somewhere else in the system in crisis which cannot be predicted and is more expensive.

    Quite simply, Labour spending since the mid-2000s was justified by the lowest borrowing costs since the 1950s, around 4%, and the lowest debt interest repayments since the turn of the century, around 2%. Just as Osborne's spending since his 2012/13 U-turn was justified by even lower borrowing costs than that, around 2%.

    Still, the point is how wrong Osborne was, and how profligate he's been, which while it has been clearly the right thing to do and the only workable thing, is the complete opposite of what he said would be good for the country and far closer to what Labour said would be good in 2010.



    Austerity is surely a myth. It's a smokescreen to make ideological cuts to the most vulnerable to please vindictive Tory voters.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Well, if you like, I suppose: I said that this is probably why the left always splits. I found myself incapable of expressing it without using the language of value judgement, but made clear that I wanted it not to be interpreted in that way.

    Here is another example of black-and-white thinking on the part of the right wing: your objection assumes that I was arguing that the left was "better".
    ohh bear™ gets it wrong again

    seriously you sometimes just have to say "X is right" and "Y is wrong".
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    (Original post by TheGuyReturns)
    The snide insults you keep adding in your posts supports my theory. C'mon though, seriously? If Labour had won yesterday there would be just as many right wingers coming out with...

    "THE SCROUNGERS HAVE DOOMED US, WHAT A ****ING JOKE!", "MILIPEDE WILL RUIN THE UK, IDIOT CHAMPAGNE SOCIALISTS.", "REMOVING ANY LABOUR VOTERS, HAVEN'T GOT TIME FOR DUMB****S." etc. etc.

    ...as there have been left wingers moaning over the past day.
    Still conjecture.

    The phenomenon of the 'shy Tory' which so baffled the pollsters proves my point. It's just not worth saying you're voting Conservative publicly because you'll just get shouted down by the self righteous left.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Labour shut down the state grammar schools thus denying an avenue for advancement in society for many working class kids.
    And I completely understand their reasoning for it, where I live the only chance at a decent education is at the local grammar schools, but why should it be like that, why should it be a test you do at 11 years old can potentially dictate where and what you do. How is that fair? It shouldn't be a choice of how good the education but a choice of the type of education.

    And in terms of social mobility, maybe years ago grammar schools were a form of mobility but now it most certainly isn't, schools are filled to the brim with middle/upper class students who never once in their life have had to experience remote financial hardship. Did you know only 3% at grammar school students are eligible for free school meals, indicating it is no longer an opportunity to move out of poverty but instead who can buy the house in the catchment area and who can afford the best tutors.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    I wonder why a crushing majority of professional academic economists, across a range of schools, agree that austerity is an awful idea which has harmed the UK and every other country which tries it.

    Could it possibly be that our rulers - political and economic - have vested interests in oppressing us, or could it be that they're stupid and over-promoted due to their privilege?
    This is why.
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    (Original post by bobbyismyname)
    And I completely understand their reasoning for it, where I live the only chance at a decent education is at the local grammar schools, but why should it be like that, why should it be a test you do at 11 years old can potentially dictate where and what you do. How is that fair? It shouldn't be a choice of how good the education but a choice of the type of education.

    And in terms of social mobility, maybe years ago grammar schools were a form of mobility but now it most certainly isn't, schools are filled to the brim with middle/upper class students who never once in their life have had to experience remote financial hardship. Did you know only 3% at grammar school students are eligible for free school meals, indicating it is no longer an opportunity to move out of poverty but instead who can buy the house in the catchment area and who can afford the best tutors.
    Only 3% of grammar school kids are eligible for free school meals? That might be because labour shut the grammar schools down.

    Your politics of envy and jeoulousy shows through with that post.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Only 3% of grammar school kids are eligible for free school meals? That might be because labour shut the grammar schools down.

    Your politics of envy and jeoulousy shows through with that post.
    3% of grammar school students are eligible for free school meals, that means a tiny proportion of students at grammar school students are poor. So your idea that grammars allow for social mobility are simply not true. Regardless if some were closed down, surely that percentage should be higher if they allowed social mobility.

    And in terms of jealousy, how is it jealous to ask why in some areas the only oppurtuniy for a decent education is a grammar school? How is to jealous to state that these schools are filled with certain peoples ability to by homes in the catchment area or who can afford the best tutors for the 11+?

    Grammar schools no longer allow for social mobility and you know that. It is not jealous but simply fair to state that their should be access to an excellent education regardless of wealth and the ability to pass a test at 11 years old. It is fair to state that future prospects shouldn't be dictated by a test at 11yrs old.

    You can't shout "jealous" when people ask for a fairer education for the countries youth
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    (Original post by bobbyismyname)
    3% of grammar school students are eligible for free school meals, that means a tiny proportion of students at grammar school students are poor. So your idea that grammars allow for social mobility are simply not true. Regardless if some were closed down, surely that percentage should be higher if they allowed social mobility.

    And in terms of jealousy, how is it jealous to ask why in some areas the only oppurtuniy for a decent education is a grammar school? How is to jealous to state that these schools are filled with certain peoples ability to by homes in the catchment area or who can afford the best tutors for the 11+?

    Grammar schools no longer allow for social mobility and you know that. It is not jealous but simply fair to state that their should be access to an excellent education regardless of wealth and the ability to pass a test at 11 years old. It is fair to state that future prospects shouldn't be dictated by a test at 11yrs old.

    You can't shout "jealous" when people ask for a fairer education for the countries youth
    It means that the grammar schools that were in deprive areas were closed.

    There's different types of grammar schools. Many grammar schools are independant schools.


    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...ols_in_England

    Labour seem to have systemically screwed over the working classes
 
 
 

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