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    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    The behaviour of the poor in council estates compared in comparison to the rich is perfectly relevant. It is about time you accepted that the welfare recipients are the drain on society rather than those who contribute via taxes.

    Also, your views on the rich are based on pure jealousy. So I don't care for how you are so jealous you spend your time sitting at home tying on a keyboard all day saying how much you hate them.

    Also, you act so high and mighty, like you are so well educated but even taking your statements as perfectly true it is still clear that you are a complete liar.

    In short, you are well enough to sit around hating the very people who pay so much for your benefit lifestyle choice. You are well enough to sit in front of a keyboard at home, you are well enough to do it at work surely?
    Like I explained above-the rich leaving would only make the country worse. How much worse is the debate. If claimants who are too lazy to work but hate those who pay for them left good riddance I say. No gratitude, no idea what a hypocrite you are calling others immoral parasites, no point doing anything other than laughing at your posts.
    As someone who lives near many council estates in a poor area, I tell you that they are a complete waste and very very lazy. You see the daily benefit scroungers spend their whole day talking at the bus stop across my road. The ones who go to the job center are the worst. They come out of the building, rip up any papers they have, straight in the bin, pull out a fag and spend the whole day doing nothing. The middle class liberals expect us to treat these people with respect yet 75% of benefit claimants I meet on a daily basis are lazy, dirty, rude scroungers with no self respect or aspiration to learn and get a job. I see this everyday and no middle class white (I am white btw) liberal will tell me otherwise. Most of my friends from India and China completely agree with me which is ironic. Ill be honest, 99% of claimants I see are either English chavs, middle eastern, African or Eastern European.
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    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    The behaviour of the poor in council estates compared in comparison to the rich is perfectly relevant. It is about time you accepted that the welfare recipients are the drain on society rather than those who contribute via taxes.
    I see where your going with this. You are trying to play Spin It and it ain't working so your spitting your dummy out. The guy who replied to your post before me has clearly fell for your Spin It tatic but I am not so easily misled.
    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Also, your views on the rich are based on pure jealousy. So I don't care for how you are so jealous you spend your time sitting at home tying on a keyboard all day saying how much you hate them.
    Jealous people tend to whine about what they personally do not have where I have been doing the opposite. Instead I have been complaining about the Governments austerity cuts on dwindling public services and social security for the masses.Envy isn't the word you should use. I am simply holding the Conservative party to account on the basis of a fair system for all people.I think you should complain about the fact that I am always ready to bust the Conservative party for even a minor infringement of there time in office.
    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Also, you act so high and mighty, like you are so well educated but even taking your statements as perfectly true it is still clear that you are a complete liar.
    That is because I am well educated to a certain point. I speak with experience because I have lived though trials and tribulations myself.Whether I am a liar or not doesn't eliminate my arguement or the substance which I have given this forum sub section over the past 2 years.
    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    In short, you are well enough to sit around hating the very people who pay so much for your benefit lifestyle choice. You are well enough to sit in front of a keyboard at home, you are well enough to do it at work surely?
    I'm not sure how to answer this question. If you are hinting that a person should be well enough to work because they can enter text into a computer you seriously need to revise your understanding of disability. Technology has evolved to the point where just about every disabled person has some adapted form of computer access but it doesn't mean they can simply move from A to B and land themselves a good computing job.There are a lot of hurdles. I think you should ask people in the disability section. OU Student is a good person to ask this question.
    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Like I explained above-the rich leaving would only make the country worse. How much worse is the debate. If claimants who are too lazy to work but hate those who pay for them left good riddance I say. No gratitude, no idea what a hypocrite you are calling others immoral parasites, no point doing anything other than laughing at your posts.
    I never said I wanted the rich to leave or I was going to put in policies which simply would scare them away. I simply argue that wealth creation lays primarly in the middle class.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    As someone who lives near many council estates in a poor area, I tell you that they are a complete waste and very very lazy. You see the daily benefit scroungers spend their whole day talking at the bus stop across my road. The ones who go to the job center are the worst. They come out of the building, rip up any papers they have, straight in the bin, pull out a fag and spend the whole day doing nothing. The middle class liberals expect us to treat these people with respect yet 75% of benefit claimants I meet on a daily basis are lazy, dirty, rude scroungers with no self respect or aspiration to learn and get a job. I see this everyday and no middle class white (I am white btw) liberal will tell me otherwise. Most of my friends from India and China completely agree with me which is ironic. Ill be honest, 99% of claimants I see are either English chavs, middle eastern, African or Eastern European.
    And that is why the Rich create more wealth than the Middle Class and Working Class right? You need to say yes to make Mr Milkshake happy.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    And that is why the Rich create more wealth than the Middle Class and Working Class right? You need to say yes to make Mr Milkshake happy.
    I am not commenting on that area of the debate you two are having. I just had to express how flawed the left wing perspective is. They tell us that those on benefits are majority good, decent people who are at no fault for the situation they find themselves in. I just have my perspective on the whole system. London has a lot of claimants and I have seen my fair share and it is ludicrous to say these people are good, decent, honest members of society who want to work hard. The minority are while the majority are not. That is all I have to say on the issue.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    I see where your going with this. You are trying to play Spin It and it ain't working so your spitting your dummy out.

    The guy who gace up a job as a FOREX trader (supposedly...) just to whine on the internet is hardly one to talk about spitting a dummy out. The person spitting their dummy out is the one making countless threads whinging about rich people on this forum and also posting stupid videos. They are the one who is spitting their dummy out.
    The guy who replied to your post before me has clearly fell for your Spin It tatic but I am not so easily misled.
    Yeah, I am really misleading people by stating the facts about the richest people and those who claim.

    Jealous people tend to whine about what they personally do not have where I have been doing the opposite. Instead I have been complaining about the Governments austerity cuts on dwindling public services and social security for the masses.Envy isn't the word you should use. I am simply holding the Conservative party to account on the basis of a fair system for all people.I think you should complain about the fact that I am always ready to bust the Conservative party for even a minor infringement of there time in office.
    You are not calling for "fair" at all. You must want more for yourself. You would not any party account if it bankrupted the country but gave you huge benefits.
    Hilarious you talk about justice, about compassion, but have on this forum clearly stated you want snipers at Calais shooting migrants. You can pretend all you like-you want more benefits which you haven't earned and are happy to see people much poorer than you executed via a bullet to the brain for doing what you do-scrounge. At least they would have the sense not to moan about rich people, posting stupid videos saying "this is what I think about rich people" and so on. After all, without the rich you would have to work.

    That is because I am well educated to a certain point. I speak with experience because I have lived though trials and tribulations myself.
    Oh, trials and tribulations. By that logic an African child you has had a dificult life walking 10 miles to get clean water whose parents died of AIDS is very well educated due to their trials and tribulations. They should lecture us on social justice and run our economy if possible. Not. Hilarious you think trials and tribulations gives you an educated viewpoint.
    Whether I am a liar or not doesn't eliminate my arguement or the substance which I have given this forum sub section over the past 2 years.
    Call me a genius, but I think that if a person is willing to lie and twist the truth for their own agenda, is perfectly happy to talk absolute rubbish without a hint of shame, their arguements we can be fairly sure are absolute crap. They are most likely lying about their arguements-claiming compassion but really just being a scrounger. Evidenced by the fact you are happy to execute those with much less than you.

    I'm not sure how to answer this question. If you are hinting that a person should be well enough to work because they can enter text into a computer you seriously need to revise your understanding of disability. Technology has evolved to the point where just about every disabled person has some adapted form of computer access but it doesn't mean they can simply move from A to B and land themselves a good computing job.There are a lot of hurdles. I think you should ask people in the disability section. OU Student is a good person to ask this question.
    OU Student doesn't bash workers all the time and post stupid videos about the very people who are paying for their support. Also, the amount of time you spend on the forum is much higher. If you want to bash the rich, YOU get out there and create some wealth.

    I never said I wanted the rich to leave or I was going to put in policies which simply would scare them away. I simply argue that wealth creation lays primarly in the middle class.
    On this forum you have a rabid hatred, fuelled by jealously, of the rich. Just look at your username. "Illegal to be poor". This is the nation that (blame Labour in particular);

    Gives you a council house (working people have to work how many hours a week to cover their rent?)
    (Gives you a bigger one for having kids by just opening your legs, while working people get a huge mortgage if they want a bigger house)

    That gives you child benefits-you literally get paid to be a ****.

    That pays you to mess up at school, get a crap CV, never make an effort to improve it, and then sign on.

    This money then gets spent on booze, weed, iphones, and generally being an anti-social chav.

    Illegal to be poor? Ilegal to refuse to give your taxes to scroungers more like. Illegal to be poor? The UK has some of the wealthiest poor and lazy in the world. If they hate austerity so much why not get a job? When I want more money that is what I have to do. I can't just pop out a kid.
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    So... Take from the rich who've earned their money?
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    ... borderline communist government .... take everything from me ...
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    ... Jezbollah al Corbyn the Palestine terrorist sympathiser and socialist ....
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    I don't normally like responding to political debates because I know people get really into insulting each other's ideas and being offensive. To be honest, personal attacks are irksome in my opinion and I apologise if anything I say offends you. You're more than welcome to your opinions, just as I am to mine.

    Just going to say though. When he refers to taxing the "rich", he's talking about offshore corporations and people in tax havens who contribute nothing to our economy, not those who worked hard. He himself came from a fairly well off family, pretty sure his family home was/is worth £1million+ and he attended a selective school. So I doubt he'd "attack" people who worked hard to get to those types of positions.

    Also, he's a democratic socialist, not a communist, there is a difference. That's not necessarily "near communism" either.

    Finally, terrorist sympathiser? The guy calls people at his conferences "brothers and sisters" and tried to get peace talks going between numerous warring factions throughout his political career. I don't think he would've fared very well if he'd called them "bloody terrorists" during those talks. Also I doubt one of the earliest parliamentary supporters of LGBT rights and equality would agree with terrorists who would probably kill people for being gay. He's also atheistic/agnostic, but takes interest in all religions, not just Islam. He's campaigned against so many human rights abuses and he clearly dislikes the mistreatment of any group of beings. Some of the people he looks up to are Gandhi and Mandela. He's a decent person at the very least, maybe you disagree with him on a lot of topics, I know I disagree on one or two but researching his history would tell you that those claims really don't add up. Also I am from a fairly affluent family and I get good grades, it's not uncommon.

    I just realised you said "Palestine terrorist sympathizer"; I hope you realise the amount of suffering that Palestinians go through, right? It's not a topic to joke about or to make such comments about anyway, those people are treated terribly and there are real human rights issues going on there. Corbyn fought hard against Apartheid back when the Tories called Mandela a terrorist. Do people still consider Mandela a terrorist?

    Also I hope you realise the current PM is a relative of the Queen (5th cousin, twice removed) - that's born into wealth if nothing else. I also hope you realise the fact that the UN is currently investigating our government's DWP for human rights abuses against the disabled and sick. You know, the people who investigate 3rd world countries for that type of stuff. On top of that, recently a man committed suicide because he was declared fit to work under this government while suffering from crippling major depression and anxiety. To top that all off, terminally ill people being declared fit for work really is great, isn't it? Really something to stand up for...

    I don't hate people who work hard to get to high places, that's exactly what I want to do with my life - I pretty much have wanted to live in a castle since I was a kid and I plan on working for it. I'm sure DC is a nice enough fella, I'm pretty sure everyone is or was - but I just don't agree with what he and his government are doing in some aspects. I'm sure your parents were/are hard working, I don't disrespect your opinion as a 15 year old, age is just a number and you're part of the future of this country, but I do wish people would research more into the man instead of just watching the news, which is still subjective as they cut down stories to what they believe are the important parts (I found that out after watching Corbyn's first PMQs and watching BBC News afterwards - they left out some of his most impressive statements and instead allowed DC to look like some sort of hero).

    The dude who keeps going on about Foot in the 80s needs to also be reminded that Thatcher was an incredibly powerful politician and would've been difficult to beat anyway. Blair was lucky he didn't have to face her, that's probably part of why he won, as well as his talent with the public at the time. You also need to be reminded of Mr Clement Attlee, and for those who say he's irrelevent with regards to today should be reminded that any previous politician could be seen that way, seeing as no two eras are the exact same. Need I also remind you that Thatcher was considered an unelectable, far right extremist at the time? Look at how far she got. I might have disliked a lot of what she did, but you can't help but respect her power.

    Why am I talking about politics on a public forum anyway? I don't understand. Hope I didn't cause you any trouble or offence. Not here to argue heatedly, just wanted to interject briefly. I hope people who follow Corbyn understand that Corbyn is about not resorting to personal attacks, so please don't do that or swear at people for not agreeing with you. I do like the guy and I actually had my faith restored in politics when he won. He's a nice guy. Some policies I definitely disagree with and some things I don't know enough about to argue for. But I've answered what I could. His shadow cabinet is also a broad church of political opinions and personalities from the labour party.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    As someone who lives near many council estates in a poor area, I tell you that they are a complete waste and very very lazy. You see the daily benefit scroungers spend their whole day talking at the bus stop across my road. The ones who go to the job center are the worst. They come out of the building, rip up any papers they have, straight in the bin, pull out a fag and spend the whole day doing nothing.
    Ten of them make less effort to improve their CV than a working person does. Ironically, they are the ones who are in more need than anyone to improve their CV. But they are too lazy to get an education or work experience. Just collect JSA, play Xbox, apply for jobs to get the DWP off your back rather than find a job, repeat each week or two.

    The middle class liberals expect us to treat these people with respect yet 75% of benefit claimants I meet on a daily basis are lazy, dirty, rude scroungers with no self respect or aspiration to learn and get a job. I see this everyday and no middle class white (I am white btw) liberal will tell me otherwise. Most of my friends from India and China completely agree with me which is ironic. Ill be honest, 99% of claimants I see are either English chavs, middle eastern, African or Eastern European.
    Bang on. Couldn't have put it better myself. The Tories see these people for who they really are-pisstakers. If someone gets cancer there is a high chance the drugs they need won't be on the NHS. To get it diagnosed will take many months. They will probably die. But they will die happy, knowing they died so some scrounger could get benefits for popping out kids and spend it on booze and weed. When the scrounger then gets cancer, they will get the same treatement in the same time period as the worker of 30-40 years who looked after themselves.
    Illegal to be poor my ass.
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    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    Bang on. Couldn't have put it better myself. The Tories see these people for who they really are-pisstakers. If someone gets cancer there is a high chance the drugs they need won't be on the NHS. To get it diagnosed will take many months. They will probably die. But they will die happy, knowing they died so some scrounger could get benefits for popping out kids and spend it on booze and weed. When the scrounger then gets cancer, they will get the same treatement in the same time period as the worker of 30-40 years who looked after themselves.
    Illegal to be poor my ass.
    What's worse is when you have the guys and girls at school who **** around day after day and then walk out straight into benefits. I am not having any of that. Then all too often these scroungers eat themselves, drink themselves and drug themselves to death, then expect the NHS to fix them up (while probably slating the NHS at the same time). The fact is they are lazy.

    Now don't get me wrong, there are genuine people who fall under bad circumstances but it is pretty to determine who these people are. Spend a day down my place and you will spot the genuine from the lazy as clear as day.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    What's worse is when you have the guys and girls at school who **** around day after day and then walk out straight into benefits. I am not having any of that. Then all too often these scroungers eat themselves, drink themselves and drug themselves to death, then expect the NHS to fix them up (while probably slating the NHS at the same time). The fact is they are lazy.

    Now don't get me wrong, there are genuine people who fall under bad circumstances but it is pretty to determine who these people are. Spend a day down my place and you will spot the genuine from the lazy as clear as day.
    It is simple. I have said before on this forum that a person should state what they have done to add to their CV in the past;
    1) Week
    2) Month
    3) Year
    4) Over their life.

    Too many who have left wing views couldn't answer all of the above so they therefore aren't truly making more than a half-hearted effort.

    Left wing politics on TSR; "I want more money, but someone else should work and pay to give it to me. I am more deserving of their money than they are and claim the moral high ground in my efforts to get what I have never earned".

    I have no problem with left wing politics as long as the people calling for it aren't just jealous, lazy, greedy pricks who want what they can't be arsed to get for themselves.
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    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    It is simple. I have said before on this forum that a person should state what they have done to add to their CV in the past;
    1) Week
    2) Month
    3) Year
    4) Over their life.

    Too many who have left wing views couldn't answer all of the above so they therefore aren't truly making more than a half-hearted effort.

    Left wing politics on TSR; "I want more money, but someone else should work and pay to give it to me. I am more deserving of their money than they are and claim the moral high ground in my efforts to get what I have never earned".

    I have no problem with left wing politics as long as the people calling for it aren't just jealous, lazy, greedy pricks who want what they can't be arsed to get for themselves.
    Yes, there is too much hatred directed at people with money. Arguably some deserve it, but it is the jealousy that is spiteful and pathetic. I have spoken to multiple left wingers on here and the general consensus is "why does someone need that much money? They might as well pay the extra as taxes" . That is everything wrong with left wingers. They defeat all purpose of aspiration. Imagine telling the kids at school "work hard and make lots of money but most of it will be taken from you as you do not need it". It is pathetic. Jealousy must be driving the left wing agenda. They blame every bad occurrence in their lives on the rich. I intend to get the best paid possible career after university. You can be sure if Corbyn is in power, I am out of the country as I didn't work my butt off to give all my money away to failures.
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    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
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    I have spent a lot of time arguing this same argument over and over again. The case is you two simply want out of your social contract with the state. You want to pay less and less tax and if the state doesn't make reforms towards a more US Libertarian Government you will abandon ship.

    Question is where are you going to go?

    *China? Sorry they don't allow non-Chinese workers into their country. Only English teachers.
    *USA? Democrats are turning into Labour.
    *Australia? They pay the lower classes more than what we do in the UK.
    *Canada? lol! They are practically Labour on steroids..

    And as for those nations which have low tax rates but have good relations with the western world they are on the verge of surrendering their fiscal policies to the greater good. Do you realize that the UN are in the middle of making plans for Agenda 2030 this week? That is a Global Government. The New World order as its more popular known.

    And I've got News for you. It won't be a Capitalist free for all. It has Socialism as the heart of its agenda.

    Now me personally am I for Agenda 21, 2025, 2030 etc ............ Hell No! I'm actually against it because nothing good can come out of absolute tyranny.

    Trouble is those of you who don't want to pay your taxes are making those who do pay their taxes very angry and more inclined to vote in more tyrannical measures to confiscate wealth & reduce the number of freedoms we take for granted.

    I'm afraid moaning about Chavs won't excuse you from the rise of the Pitchforks. And when I say Pitchforks I'm not talking about poor people I am talking about regular hard working people getting angry about the upper classes.

    After all the welfare and public services are removed there are no poor people to blame who are receiving welfare. It then becomes as simple as those who have and those who do not and the so called politics of envy becomes that much easier and simple.

    I would be careful what you wish for.

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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    I have spent a lot of time arguing this same argument over and over again. The case is you two simply want out of your social contract with the state. You want to pay less and less tax and if the state doesn't make reforms towards a more US Libertarian Government you will abandon ship.

    Question is where are you going to go?

    *China? Sorry they don't allow non-Chinese workers into their country. Only English teachers.
    *USA? Democrats are turning into Labour.
    *Australia? They pay the lower classes more than what we do in the UK.
    *Canada? lol! They are practically Labour on steroids..

    And as for those nations which have low tax rates but have good relations with the western world they are on the verge of surrendering their fiscal policies to the greater good. Do you realize that the UN are in the middle of making plans for Agenda 2030 this week? That is a Global Government. The New World order as its more popular known.

    And I've got News for you. It won't be a Capitalist free for all. It has Socialism as the heart of its agenda.

    Now me personally am I for Agenda 21, 2025, 2030 etc ............ Hell No! I'm actually against it because nothing good can come out of absolute tyranny.

    Trouble is those of you who don't want to pay your taxes are making those who do pay their taxes very angry and more inclined to vote in more tyrannical measures to confiscate wealth & reduce the number of freedoms we take for granted.

    I'm afraid moaning about Chavs won't excuse you from the rise of the Pitchforks. And when I say Pitchforks I'm not talking about poor people I am talking about regular hard working people getting angry about the upper classes.

    After all the welfare and public services are removed there are no poor people to blame who are receiving welfare. It then becomes as simple as those who have and those who do not and the so called politics of envy becomes that much easier and simple.

    I would be careful what you wish for.

    I could give you a long answe but instead I will say if I was a top earner I would pay 45% tax and no more. I am 200% against tax avoidance. That puts to bed your theory on me lol.

    Plus I am working class and not a posh boy.
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    I could give you a long answe but instead I will say if I was a top earner I would pay 45% tax and no more. I am 200% against tax avoidance. That puts to bed your theory on me lol.

    Plus I am working class and not a posh boy.
    Chances are as a working class person you are in the 20% tax bracket. The middle class are in the 40% tax bracket but what if I told you that the rich pay less than the middle class?

    Ya they do!

    As it stands if you are earning £300,000+ you are paying 39% in taxes. That is proportionally less than the middle class.

    Here are the maths.

    300,000 - 10600 = 289400.

    31785 / 100 * 20 = 6357
    107615 / 100 * 40 = 43046
    150000 / 100 * 45 = 67500

    Total = 116903

    116903 / 300000 * 100 = 39%

    So the idea that the rich pay more tax proportionally than everyone else is nothing more than a fabrication.

    ..............

    You know the middle class pay 20% more tax then the working class in their bracket past £31786. Why can't the rich pay 20% more tax than the middle class in their bracket past £150,000? This would bring the overall taxes the rich pay on a salary of £300,000+ to 46.5% which is 10% more overall than the middle class pay. That is fair. Why can't the upper class play by the same rules as the middle class?

    You should really investigate the figures as a working class person. I'm not talking down to you by saying that. I'm saying that ignorance can really make some people look like mugs.
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    Chances are as a working class person you are in the 20% tax bracket. The middle class are in the 40% tax bracket but what if I told you that the rich pay less than the middle class?

    Ya they do!

    As it stands if you are earning £300,000+ you are paying 39% in taxes. That is proportionally less than the middle class.

    Here are the maths.

    300,000 - 10600 = 289400.

    31785 / 100 * 20 = 6357
    107615 / 100 * 40 = 43046
    150000 / 100 * 45 = 67500

    Total = 116903

    116903 / 300000 * 100 = 39%

    So the idea that the rich pay more tax proportionally than everyone else is nothing more than a fabrication.

    ..............

    You know the middle class pay 20% more tax then the working class in their bracket past £31786. Why can't the rich pay 20% more tax than the middle class in their bracket past £150,000? This would bring the overall taxes the rich pay on a salary of £300,000+ to 46.5% which is 10% more overall than the middle class pay. That is fair. Why can't the upper class play by the same rules as the middle class?

    You should really investigate the figures as a working class person. I'm not talking down to you by saying that. I'm saying that ignorance can really make some people look like mugs.
    I don't even want to waste my time with you anymore. You pulled those figures out of your *** and pulled the story from claims in ******* America, not the UK. None of it has been proven and no investigation was required to dismiss the claims.

    By law in the UK £31.786- £150,000 has a higher rate of 40% while £150,000+ is 45%. Yes a few dodge through loopholes but that does not play into the law of which you conjured up from an American political and tax issue.

    Go away and stop embarrassing yourself please. I get it, you hate the rich, but guess what I don't care.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    I don't even want to waste my time with you anymore. You pulled those figures out of your *** and pulled the story from claims in ******* America, not the UK. None of it has been proven and no investigation was required to dismiss the claims.

    By law in the UK £31.786- £150,000 has a higher rate of 40% while £150,000+ is 45%. Yes a few dodge through loopholes but that does not play into the law of which you conjured up from an American political and tax issue.

    Go away and stop embarrassing yourself please. I get it, you hate the rich, but guess what I don't care.
    Illegaltobepoor is just enraged that the Tories are here to stay. Don't take him too seriously. I have already clearly shown how he is willing to say anything, and justify anything including executions, to get his grubby hands on more of other peoples' money.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    I don't even want to waste my time with you anymore. You pulled those figures out of your *** and pulled the story from claims in ******* America, not the UK. None of it has been proven and no investigation was required to dismiss the claims.

    By law in the UK £31.786- £150,000 has a higher rate of 40% while £150,000+ is 45%. Yes a few dodge through loopholes but that does not play into the law of which you conjured up from an American political and tax issue.

    Go away and stop embarrassing yourself please. I get it, you hate the rich, but guess what I don't care.
    Chillax Bro I don't hate the rich. I love the rich. I love pumping and dumping. You see the trend is like a game of fishing. You dangle that bait in front of the big fat fish and they rush in for a nibble. You then add more bait into the pool and all the big fish are loving it. You then remove all your bait from the pond and then all the Big Fish think wtf why are we still here?

    The Big Fish then look at how much they are worth ..............

    What I described is legal theft!

    If there was no stupid brats from rich parents there would be no me
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    Illegaltobepoor is just enraged that the Tories are here to stay. Don't take him too seriously. I have already clearly shown how he is willing to say anything, and justify anything including executions, to get his grubby hands on more of other peoples' money.
    Yes I completely get it now. Using politics from abroad to discredit the Tories, they must be desperate.

    I recently spoke to a user who claimed even if you are on benefits you should be allowed kids. Seriously how the **** does that work? God it annoys me. If you rely on the state you should not be allowed kids, end of discussion. Until you can finance yourself, you should work towards that and focus solely on getting off the dull. The only leniency should be given to those disabled or permanently out of work because of circumstances beyond their control (like a company causing extensive injury for lack of safety measures).
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    On this forum you have a rabid hatred, fuelled by jealously, of the rich. Just look at your username. "Illegal to be poor". This is the nation that (blame Labour in particular);

    Gives you a council house (working people have to work how many hours a week to cover their rent?)
    (Gives you a bigger one for having kids by just opening your legs, while working people get a huge mortgage if they want a bigger house)

    That gives you child benefits-you literally get paid to be a ****.

    That pays you to mess up at school, get a crap CV, never make an effort to improve it, and then sign on.

    This money then gets spent on booze, weed, iphones, and generally being an anti-social chav.

    Illegal to be poor? Ilegal to refuse to give your taxes to scroungers more like. Illegal to be poor? The UK has some of the wealthiest poor and lazy in the world. If they hate austerity so much why not get a job? When I want more money that is what I have to do. I can't just pop out a kid.
    Council houses may have extortionate rent rates, but the problem is the banks refuses the very poorest a mortgage the way they see it is, it will take someone who is poor longer to pay back then someone who gets paid a considerable amount more. When my dad went to enquire about a mortgage in 1995, because he was only paid £3 a hour the bank manager laughed at him, likewise when he was on the minimum wage in 2004. Child Benefits is a useful invention such as tax credits aswell- it may be overused by ****s but it is good for those who are using it legitimately. Tax credits are good for the low paid due to the companies not paying employees enough to live on. If the minimum wage was to go up to £10 overnight companies will moan about anti business rules, and if there was no tax credits the poorest areas will be in absolute poverty, the council charges too high for rent but lets have a look at why ? lets not forget most councils have had budget cuts to contend with so they have to make the money elsewhere to make up the money they need to operate. There is some instances where people take the piss with their claiming such as buying iphones, weed and beer. But I do not believe the majority are on benefits by choice, there are some people who have learning disabilities and need help, there are some disabled and others who are made redundant, these deserve help, the genuine claimants who will be on benefits for short term before moving to a new job, or of course help to live a life if they are disabled, but i do understand your frustrations with the career doalies but stereotyping all of them as the same is unfair. If there was another global financial crisis and you was made redundant would you claim? of course you would. It is hard with the circumstances I agree with welfare for those who need it but not those who take the piss and have a career on it . Other benefit cuts is just making the poor worse off. Have you ever thought the UK may have some of the richest poor people , because the UK is one od the richest and expensive countries to live in the world? Unless you want people homeless and to die due to lack of food. I would rather give money to our people who genuinely need it , then to give money to other countries in aid .
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    Yes I completely get it now. Using politics from abroad to discredit the Tories, they must be desperate.

    I recently spoke to a user who claimed even if you are on benefits you should be allowed kids. Seriously how the **** does that work? God it annoys me. If you rely on the state you should not be allowed kids, end of discussion. Until you can finance yourself, you should work towards that and focus solely on getting off the dull. The only leniency should be given to those disabled or permanently out of work because of circumstances beyond their control (like a company causing extensive injury for lack of safety measures).
    I am a working person. I want kids. Let us say I have kids at 30;
    I will be working full time until I am 60. I will therefore not have the time I want to spend with my kids until they are 30 and by that time they will be adults, living by themselves. Sad, but neccessary. I have to provide for them.

    Not let us take a dole claimer. They pop out kids and get paid more if they have more. A kid is like me getting a promotion, and if they have enough they get a larger house while I get another mortgage. They get to sit at home all day doing what I would want to off my effort. God bless the Tories.

    I have no problem with people who can answer my above questions-even if they are unemployed they are trying. Don't punish someone who is trying-they probably feel bad enough. They are deserving of support and are the kind of person who can contribute to society.

    I have no problem with people who are disabled. I don't mind if a special school costs £100k per child-it is fine. They are deserving of support and can contribute to society.

    However, I have a problem with dole claimers who choose to claim and have the cheek to complain that they don't get even more from the taxpayer. I mean FFS, you already get a house and paid for kids. What more do you want?
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    I have spent a lot of time arguing this same argument over and over again. The case is you two simply want out of your social contract with the state. You want to pay less and less tax and if the state doesn't make reforms towards a more US Libertarian Government you will abandon ship.
    No, I am happy with the Tories. Abandom ship? I am happy where it is heading thanks. You want to scrounge, they will stop you. I like this.

    Trouble is those of you who don't want to pay your taxes are making those who do pay their taxes very angry and more inclined to vote in more tyrannical measures to confiscate wealth & reduce the number of freedoms we take for granted.

    I have no problem with tax. None of my complaints are about tax. I would be happy to see higher tax for a proper NHS, defence, etc.

    However, I don't work hard so others don't have to. The trouble is that those of you who don't want to work are making those who do very angry and more inclined to vote in more right wing parties which will cut benefits. As a result, the freedoms you enjoy off the back of the taxpayer that you have taken for granted are being reduced rapidly.

    I'm afraid moaning about Chavs won't excuse you from the rise of the Pitchforks. And when I say Pitchforks I'm not talking about poor people I am talking about regular hard working people getting angry about the upper classes.
    Rise of the pitchforks? The hard working outnumber the scroungers. The right is rising in the right here, Labour and the Lib Dems are dead. UKIP and the Tories are virtually unopposed-and the public support it, giving them a majority in the House of Commons.

    After all the welfare and public services are removed there are no poor people to blame who are receiving welfare. It then becomes as simple as those who have and those who do not and the so called politics of envy becomes that much easier and simple.

    I would be careful what you wish for.
    Your views are the politics of scrounging and envy. Happy to execute those with less than you.
    Think about if-if I held the same views as you than I would call for your execution.
 
 
 
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