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    what could possibly be the point of killing an elephant in order to save an elephant. It's nonsense.
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    to CoolCavy hope so.
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    Umm, are you replying to the right person?

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    (Original post by DarkMagic)
    I don't think its quite the same thing. I don't eat a lot of meat (mostly just chicken and mince) but most of the meat people eat come from animals that are bred for that purpose. I'm not trying to defend that, but I do think there is a difference between lifting a packet of pork chops from a shelf and cooking them, to actually shooting the pig yourself and enjoying it.

    On the other hand, this guy has paid nearly £40,000 for the satisfaction of killing a defenceless animal. To me, that is completely sick. He will celebrate his 'huge accomplishment', boast about it and then he will move on and kill something else. He should be locked up.
    This is so true.

    I am sorry but if someone actually pays money just so he can shoot an animal that he isn't even going to eat... I find this seriously worrying, like he comes off as an actual psychopath. I know I wouldnt feel safe living on the same street as him. in fact i feel uneasy knowing we live on the same continent.
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    (Original post by driftawaay)
    This is so true.

    I am sorry but if someone actually pays money just so he can shoot an animal that he isn't even going to eat... I find this seriously worrying, like he comes off as an actual psychopath. I know I wouldnt feel safe living on the same street as him. in fact i feel uneasy knowing we live on the same continent.
    How do you know he didn't eat the meat or at least some of it?
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    How do you know he didn't eat the meat or at least some of it?
    you're right, since he is a murderous psychopath, there is actually a good chance he ate the victim for dinner, as they sometimes do if you look at news reports. i didnt even think about that.
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    (Original post by driftawaay)
    you're right, since he is a murderous psychopath, there is actually a good chance he ate the victim for dinner, as they sometimes do if you look at news reports. i didnt even think about that.
    How can he be murderous if he hasn't killed anyone?
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    How can he be murderous if he hasn't killed anyone?
    the nitpickiness and useless semantics isnt gonna get u far with me, hun
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    (Original post by driftawaay)
    the nitpickiness and useless semantics isnt gonna get u far with me, hun
    I don't want to get far with you. I don't even want to get to first base.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    I don't want to get far with you. I don't even want to get to first base.
    Face it you didn't even get to first base with anyone-gotta be a bit sharper mate
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    (Original post by versari)
    Face it you didn't even get to first base with anyone-gotta be a bit sharper mate
    That is a strong argument you have put forward there. I got to first base your mum though.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    You are not a Lion, and you are not the top of the food chain.
    Wait, afre you seriously suggesting that humanity is not an apex predator?
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    (Original post by versari)
    Depends which ones, wwf has African elephants rated as "vulnerable" -then there's the knock on effect of loss of habitat for other species caused by their demise so there's a damaging ripple effect. (The same things that are happening as a result of the loss of bees and bats around the world ie increased use of pesticides GMO, contamination, etc only in a different form to the local ecology)
    Vulnerable is now synonymous to endangered?! You must ugently write to Oxford so that they can publish this in their next edition of the OED!
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    Reading through most of this thread I can see two things:
    1) first, that there is the typical hard left/liberal elite spouting their usual opinion that anybody who disagrees with their view of the world, in this case their particular set of morals and things they do to attain pleasure, are monsters and have no right to live and are the scum of the earth, as per usual.
    2) Secondly, that people are happily overlooking that the actions were perfectly legal, trying to find any reason they can to argue that despite this it was indefensible, and happily ignoring that much of the revenues from this go into further conservation; again, here, they find poor arguments against this saying stuff like "how can killing an elephant conserve elephants", to which the natural response is along the lines of 'in Zimbabwe, $60k is a lot of money and will pay for the protection of endangered species for months.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Wait, afre you seriously suggesting that humanity is not an apex predator?
    When I see you with a lion like this, I'll believe you are at the apex, not sooner:
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    When I see you eating meat like this, I will believe you are higher up the food chain than the lion.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    When I see you with a lion like this, I'll believe you are at the apex, not sooner:
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    When I see you eating meat like this, I will believe you are higher up the food chain than the lion.
    I hear lions don't stand up too well to being shot by an arrow and then 40 hours later with a rifle, or even just arrows, or just bullets, or spears, or actually rather a lot of human weapons:


    I must also commend your paradox creating skills; if an apex predator is no longer defined as one because a different apex predator could kill it in certain situations then there will be no apex predators, but then again, what killed it is no longer an apex predator, so I guess they still are, or are they? And beyond that I guess you don't understand what an apex predator is if you're being this dense. Well, I guess you do seem to think that to be an apex predator you aren't allowed to use a brain and skills you have learnt, such as how to craft and use weapons, use fire to cook food, something we do for a great many reasons (and isn't totally necessary either).

    Oh, and you do realise that there is not one single food chain for the entirety of the planet, right?

    Thank you for your time, you can go back to your tree hugging now.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I hear lions don't stand up too well to being shot by an arrow and then 40 hours later with a rifle, or even just arrows, or just bullets, or spears, or actually rather a lot of human weapons:


    I must also commend your paradox creating skills; if an apex predator is no longer defined as one because a different apex predator could kill it in certain situations then there will be no apex predators, but then again, what killed it is no longer an apex predator, so I guess they still are, or are they? And beyond that I guess you don't understand what an apex predator is if you're being this dense. Well, I guess you do seem to think that to be an apex predator you aren't allowed to use a brain and skills you have learnt, such as how to craft and use weapons, use fire to cook food, something we do for a great many reasons (and isn't totally necessary either).

    Oh, and you do realise that there is not one single food chain for the entirety of the planet, right?

    Thank you for your time, you can go back to your tree hugging now.
    A chimp could be the apex by your logic. Give anyone a gun and they'll be at the apex. one-on-one, like a fair fight, you would get destroyed. You are not at the apex sonny. You are just an arrogant insecure little man who thinks they are better than everyone and everything else. That's why you feel okay with humans going around shooting things.
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    (Original post by ivy.98)
    I agree, that is disgusting. However, killing that particular elephant may have been a mistake but these rich people hunting trips are what funds conservation in many African countries. The money he pays to do so will save hundreds of animals.
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    Well that's the myth. For some reason I'm sceptical because Zimbabwe is a corrupt region, and so far the money it has received has still not stopped the endemic poaching problem. So how many more animals have to die before we discover the money is in fact just diminishing African Wildlife and disappearing into some officials back pocket.
    This was the right elephant to shoot; but the wrong regime to shoot it under.

    In an orderly managed population, the animal to cull is the formerly dominant male just at the point it starts to be superseded. It wouldn't live much longer anyway. In an orderly managed population it is selling the right to shoot the animal who would be culled/die anyway that should pay for the maintenance of the herd.

    In Zimbabwe selling the right to shoot the animal pays for the wife of one of Mugabe's henchmen's next trip to Harrods.
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    (Original post by rock_climber86)
    A chimp could be the apex by your logic. Give anyone a gun and they'll be at the apex. one-on-one, like a fair fight, you would get destroyed. You are not at the apex sonny. You are just an arrogant insecure little man who thinks they are better than everyone and everything else. That's why you feel okay with humans going around shooting things.
    Yes, of course, chimps are well known to be proficient in the use of firearms. A fair fight would be to allow both sides to use what is available to them, for humanity that is our rather good brain, dexterous hands, and combined, ability to make weapons, although I guess if you're going to remove our natural weapons should we not also be removing the Lions claws, teeth, and half their muscles?

    Oh, and you wanted people to be with a retarded weak lion on a leash, how about we go one better, admittedly a black panther, not a lion, but here you go:
    https://www.facebook.com/dropdeadNS/...3272534888152/

    May I also ask you to double check what an Apex predator is, and tell me what exactly it is that preys upon the adult human?

    I would also like to enquire, have you actually been anywhere near the live, wild, adult variants of these animals, or is the closest you've got looking at them in a cage?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Vulnerable is now synonymous to endangered?! You must ugently write to Oxford so that they can publish this in their next edition of the OED!

    hehe-another semantic fool with no argument bites the dust yes vulnerable obviously "is" related to endangered in this context and in OED. Get back to school sonny!
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    (Original post by versari)
    hehe-another semantic fool with no argument bites the dust yes vulnerable obviously "is" related to endangered in this context and in OED. Get back to school sonny!
    Except, the OED is largely irrelevant here, they are both International Union for Conservation of Nature classifications, and not synonymous. They might be next to each other in the classifications, at the bottom end of the threatened range, but that is not the same as being synonymous. Endangered means that the IUCN believes they are like to become extinct, Vulnerable means they are likely to become endangered, unless what is creating the risk is dealt with. Seems odd to me to say that A is likely to become B means A=B.

    "Get back to school sonny!"
 
 
 
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