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    (Original post by Bagsworth)
    This is new for this year by the looks of it. It was never a problem applying if you were finishing up a PhD before (myself included in past years). Although, from speaking to my current consultant clinical scientist, it could have been a reason in the past for not getting onto the STP - the STP is a huge amount of work and you can't be having to write up your thesis while working throughout the day and having to do STP competencies after work while also writing up. It has apparently led to a few STP trainees to either drop out or request large amounts of time off to help with their workload. Normally if you're registered for a PhD and you have submitted/very close to submission, the dual registration of universities shouldn't matter. If you were actually studying for two degrees then that's different.

    If you will have submitted by that point, you still should be eligible to apply as the registration is just a formality. Maybe contact the NSHCS because this looks like a new rule they've stated for this year.

    I wouldn't worry, as long as your thesis is written an submitted, you can do your viva when you have already started on the STP.

    I'm in a similar position and will have no way have had my Viva by September, but i've asked several of the STP training officers at different hospitals about this and they all say that as long as the bulk of your PhD is done, they are happy for you to finish in your own time whilst on the STP. In fact that is exactly what most of their trainees who did PhDs did before too.

    So all is fine!!
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    Hi, can someone tell me how to access the individual posts? All I can see on NHS jobs are two posts - one for Medical Physics in Birmingham and one for Immunology and Histocompatibility in Oxford. Also when I search for vacancies on the online portal Oriel, there are two adverts for 'Scientist Training Programme' but neither specify specialism or location.

    Am I missing something?

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    (Original post by sophierr1)
    Hi, can someone tell me how to access the individual posts? All I can see on NHS jobs are two posts - one for Medical Physics in Birmingham and one for Immunology and Histocompatibility in Oxford. Also when I search for vacancies on the online portal Oriel, there are two adverts for 'Scientist Training Programme' but neither specify specialism or location.

    Am I missing something?

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    Posts are on this site: http://nshcs.org.uk/stp-recruitment
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    (Original post by Superhellie)
    I wouldn't worry, as long as your thesis is written an submitted, you can do your viva when you have already started on the STP.

    I'm in a similar position and will have no way have had my Viva by September, but i've asked several of the STP training officers at different hospitals about this and they all say that as long as the bulk of your PhD is done, they are happy for you to finish in your own time whilst on the STP. In fact that is exactly what most of their trainees who did PhDs did before too.

    So all is fine!!
    That sounds promising - I've emailed NSHCS for clarification too, so will post that when I receive a reply.
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    (Original post by a6georgia1)
    Posts are on this site: http://nshcs.org.uk/stp-recruitment
    OK I see, I was expecting a link to apply for the individual posts. So am I right in thinking we apply to the general 'Scientist Training Scheme' post through Oriel and specify the post within the application? There seem to be two vacancies for the same 'Scientist Training Programme' but one has 257 places and the other 62. Does anyone know if it matters which of these we apply to?

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    (Original post by alex83)
    That sounds promising - I've emailed NSHCS for clarification too, so will post that when I receive a reply.
    And I've just received it:

    I believe that an application can be made on the basis that you believe the programme will be complete by September, if successful in the application but not having completed you will need to liaise with the HEI that you are selected for in order to determine whether you can be accepted to the programme with the level of completion that you have made, however HEI’s have made it clear that this is not guaranteed.
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    (Original post by sophierr1)
    OK I see, I was expecting a link to apply for the individual posts. So am I right in thinking we apply to the general 'Scientist Training Scheme' post through Oriel and specify the post within the application? There seem to be two vacancies for the same 'Scientist Training Programme' but one has 257 places and the other 62. Does anyone know if it matters which of these we apply to?

    Thanks
    You apply to the one with 257 vacancies - there are two streams - one for direct entry and one for in-service. In-service applicants are only applying for the opening in their hospital and it is not in competition with the other vacancies. I assume you don't already work in the NHS applying for the pre-agreed place at your hospital though! Direct entry with the 257 vacancies is for people applying in their final year of uni/PhD/other work wanting to move into healthcare science. I hope that clarifies!
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    (Original post by Bagsworth)
    You apply to the one with 257 vacancies - there are two streams - one for direct entry and one for in-service. In-service applicants are only applying for the opening in their hospital and it is not in competition with the other vacancies. I assume you don't already work in the NHS applying for the pre-agreed place at your hospital though! Direct entry with the 257 vacancies is for people applying in their final year of uni/PhD/other work wanting to move into healthcare science. I hope that clarifies!
    Yes that makes great sense now, thank you!
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    (Original post by alex83)
    And I've just received it:

    I believe that an application can be made on the basis that you believe the programme will be complete by September, if successful in the application but not having completed you will need to liaise with the HEI that you are selected for in order to determine whether you can be accepted to the programme with the level of completion that you have made, however HEI’s have made it clear that this is not guaranteed.
    I should think submission of the thesis would constitute adequate progress though? Like I said this was not the rule in the past where you could apply having mostly finished writing up. I was still writing up last year and was told later on that "might" have been a reason I was not shortlisted for interview last year but it was from someone who had not read my application or had a say (as far as I know, he might well have done) in me being rejected.
    I think you should at least try. It gives you a time to finish by! Although it depends on how much you've already done. Writing up and corrections take longer than I thought!
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    (Original post by emm18)
    Nope! They really give you nothing other than a shortlist score, which is still hard to figure out the meaning tbh. Basically, the general advice is to go away and do something in the year to give you more experience. They have about 8000 applicants in total so it's difficult to give feedback to them all.

    My Masters is MSc Prenatal Genetics and Fetal Medicine at UCL and I think it's been invaluable!
    Hi can i ask what was your shortlist score?
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    45 and 46 as I applied for two specialisms but I don't think I really had that much experience at the time.
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    I've checked with the University of Manchester too, and they say that the thing about completing qualifications is there primarily for essential qualifications - i.e. the undergraduate degree. I think they must get some applications from second year students too.
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    umm, anyone know whether a Ph.D should be entered as current employment, or one of the gaps like it suggests for undergrad courses?

    Also it doesn't seem to let you have two current positions, which is a little annoying...
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    (Original post by Superhellie)
    umm, anyone know whether a Ph.D should be entered as current employment, or one of the gaps like it suggests for undergrad courses?

    Also it doesn't seem to let you have two current positions, which is a little annoying...
    Don't know about PhD but I found the two current positions annoying, and the fact you HAVE to put an end date. I put the job I started first as post 2 even thought it is current.
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    (Original post by Superhellie)
    umm, anyone know whether a Ph.D should be entered as current employment, or one of the gaps like it suggests for undergrad courses?

    Also it doesn't seem to let you have two current positions, which is a little annoying...
    Neither, it should be entered under education.
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    (Original post by alex83)
    Neither, it should be entered under education.
    Yes that too,

    But then in the employment section it asks you to account for any gaps in employment larger than 4 weeks...?
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    Does anybody know what the questions are for this year. Have they changed the wording or are they the same? :/
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    (Original post by 3223)
    Does anybody know what the questions are for this year. Have they changed the wording or are they the same? :/
    Changed the wording :
    1- In less than 250 words, please state why you have applied forthe Healthcare Scientist Training Programme. Give details of your motivation,suitability and future career development or aspirations. Describe what actions you have undertaken to increase yourknowledge, experience and understanding of healthcare science and the trainingprogramme for your chosen specialism(s):

    2- In less than 250 words, please describe your commitment,interest and enjoyment of scientific practice and technology. Please provideexamples of how you seek to develop, improve and adopt innovative processes inyour work or studies:

    3-The NHS Constitution values and behaviours are paramount tothe delivery of healthcare services. In less than 250 words pleasedescribe how within your own experience you would display these qualities:

    4-In less than 250 words describe occasions where you haveworked as part of a team and outline the skills you used to benefit the outputsof that team. Also, please describe a situation or situations when you havetaken the opportunity to lead others and identify how you managed anychallenges that arose:
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    (Original post by Superhellie)
    Yes that too,

    But then in the employment section it asks you to account for any gaps in employment larger than 4 weeks...?
    Have you worked as a demonstrator during your PhD? I've been employed by the university the whole time as well as being a student, so for me it hasn't been a gap. I wouldn't have put it down as a gap if I hadn't though, the dates you were at university are already on your application so it'll be obvious what you've been doing to anyone reading it.
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    Anyone else struggling to start these questions?
 
 
 
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