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    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    Yeah I just looked out of the window and saw a pig flying past.

    If you seriously think politics will ever be like that (and I'll take you at your word) you are nothing but a naive fool.
    On the contrary, many countries manage to have politics that are about values and issues. And these countries are far better run. For you to be unaware of this (as well as how tired the British electorate has become of this form of politics as of late) only goes to show you wilful ignorance and poverty of thought.

    So you would prefer to have our leaders determined on the trivial aspects their personalities, how charming they are, and the amount of money behind them to craft and maintain a public image of them? You are basically endorsing the crudest form of political populism.

    Can I take it therefore that issues and values are not in the slightest bit important to you in choosing who you vote for? (would explain your current political preferences)

    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    You haven't answered my earlier point though. That makes a change.
    Every one of your points gets answered dear. I think you are confusing me with yourself, the one who runs away from every point they cant defend

    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    Ceteris paribus, suppose the wrong issues and values won power after this fantasy "fair fight"?

    You yourself admit that Corbyn would "severely damage" the country if he became Prime Minister . It is about the only thing we actually agree on so it is ironic it is the most important one.

    Yet you seem not to care about that, you don't mind if the country is severely damaged, it is more important that the issues and values are raised and then let the cards fall how they may.

    That is idiotic.
    Are you sure you are a not a fascist? Since that is logical conclusion of your highly authoritarian view on destroying Corbyn by any means possible.

    Also, using Latin doesn't disguise your general poor debating skills.

    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    Why?
    Why what?
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    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    @ Rat bag

    Do you STILL think people with lower A Levels than you are trash, or do you now renounce that repugnant opinion?

    Yes or no? Why can't you answer? The thread is waiting for you reply after three refusals to address it.
    Yes in the context of applicants to medical education, which was the exact context in which it was said.

    You can get yourself as worked up as you like with this faux-indignation, but all it shows is that you don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to debating and defending your position
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    I didn't say that Eton wasn't selective. I said being wealthy was a pre-requisite to attending for the vast vast majority of pupils.

    No you didn't, and I encourage anyone interested in this to look back and see what you actually said.

    We now come to one of your favourite little techniques. When you said that you had to be extremely wealthy to attend Eton were you ignorant or lying?
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    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    Yes he did. You don't see him authorising tweets rejoicing in it though.

    No I have a better idea than putting him on trial. Let's bung him a million or so of taxpayer's money in compensation.
    Well the government did agree that they complicit in his (and others') torture. Given torture is illegal, both in the UK and as part of international law (for what it's worth), then it is normal to receive compensation following being the victim of the breach of law.

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    Hope you are going to provide an answer to my question before. The thread is waiting ratbag.

    Why did you call those with low A Level grades trash? And will you now apologise?
    It's been answered for you many times. Is comprehension not one of your strong points?
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    [QUOTE=Rat_Bag;60286187]On the contrary, many countries manage to have politics that are about values and issues. /QUOTE]
    For example?

    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    Are you sure you are a not a fascist? Since that is logical conclusion of your highly authoritarian view on destroying Corbyn by any means possible.
    Yes I am quite sure. That is what is called in the trade () a straw man argument.
    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    Also, using Latin doesn't disguise your general poor debating skills.


    It had you racing to the dictionary!

    I am going to keep asking until I get an answer.

    Why did you call those with low A Levels "trash" and are you going to apologise?
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    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    No you didn't, and I encourage anyone interested in this to look back and see what you actually said.
    I said "To attend Eton, one must be extremely wealthy."This made no mention of the existence or not or academic selection of those said wealthy people. Again, your comprehension skills are failing you

    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    We now come to one of your favourite little techniques. When you said that you had to be extremely wealthy to attend Eton were you ignorant or lying?
    If you are so desperate to deflect the discussion to trying to posit that Eton is open to the poor, then by all means, continue to make a fool of yourself.

    You have shown, throughout this thread, to be unable to defend your position, so run away from parts of the debate that you know you have lost (claiming lack of time), but then seem to have plenty of time to repost questions over and over that have already been answered. It's amusing.
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    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    For example?
    Germany, Austria, Denmark, Netherlands.

    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    Yes I am quite sure. That is what is called in the trade () a straw man argument.
    But the logical conclusion of your position is that Corbyn must be destroyed at all costs.

    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    It had you racing to the dictionary!

    I am going to keep asking until I get an answer.

    Why did you call those with low A Levels "trash" and are you going to apologise?
    It's been explained to you in 3 posts. Can you not read? Or are you just trolling?
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    Yes in the context of applicants to medical education, which was the exact context in which it was said.
    So you ADMIT you think they are trash. At last we have progress. You are a charmer aren't you.

    Are we talking decaying food trash, lots of empty cans trash, or something nastier?

    Are you saying that nobody on such a course could make a good doctor, that they are all the kind of waste we throw in the bin?
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    I said "To attend Eton, one must be extremely wealthy.

    But that isn't true is it? You can get come from a poor background and get a scholarship. You DONT have to be extremely wealthy.

    So I ask again, were you ignorant or lying when you made that incorrect statement?
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    I said "To attend Eton, one must be extremely wealthy."This made no mention of the existence or not or academic selection of those said wealthy people. Again, your comprehension skills are failing you

    If you are so desperate to deflect the discussion to trying to posit that Eton is open to the poor, then by all means, continue to make a fool of yourself.

    You have shown, throughout this thread, to be unable to defend your position, so run away from parts of the debate that you know you have lost (claiming lack of time), but then seem to have plenty of time to repost questions over and over that have already been answered. It's amusing.
    Eton does have the Kings Scholars who are not from wealthy backgrounds.

    And I would have thought the more relevant moral consideration is that to go to Eton you don't have to be rich, your parents have to be well-off. Children don't decide where they go to school, their parents do.

    As such, there is no basis in morality or logic to hold a child's school background against them, just as it would not be right to hold it against someone simply because they grew up in council housing.
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    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    But that isn't true is it? You can get come from a poor background and get a scholarship. You DONT have to be extremely wealthy.

    So I ask again, were you ignorant or lying when you made that incorrect statement?
    This is true. The Kings Scholars are admitted to Eton based purely on intellectual merit and their fees remitted according to need.

    I should also think that whether someone's fees were paid in full or remitted in full is wholly irrelevant. A child doesn't choose where they go to school. You cannot hold it against them anymore than you would hold the fact someone grew up in a council estate against them.

    You judge them based on what they go on to do in their life.
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    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    So you ADMIT you think they are trash. At last we have progress. You are a charmer aren't you.

    Are we talking decaying food trash, lots of empty cans trash, or something nastier?

    Are you saying that nobody on such a course could make a good doctor, that they are all the kind of waste we throw in the bin?
    In the context for suitability for medical education yes. And they should not be permitted to enter the medical profession via the backdoor (by paying a university in Eastern Europe to allow them to enter).

    There will surely be other careers that are more suitable for them.
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    Germany, Austria, Denmark, Netherlands.
    I don't know much about politics in Germany, Austria or Denmark, and I doubt you do. But if you seek to establish your statement, being open minded I will listen. So outline your case with detailed examples from each country.

    Holland is not a happy country politically, that I do know.

    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    But the logical conclusion of your position is that Corbyn must be destroyed at all costs.
    Not "at all costs," there is your straw man. I obviously don't support the assassination of Corbyn to prevent a Labour government for example. Which of course has happened countless times throughout history and still does today.

    There is a slight moral difference between a Borgias style poisoning and an article trashing Corbyn in the Daily Mail.
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    In the context for suitability for medical education yes. And they should not be permitted to enter the medical profession via the backdoor (by paying a university in Eastern Europe to allow them to enter).

    There will surely be other careers that are more suitable for them.
    What kind of careers are open to "trash"?

    Isn't a future being sent to the recycling centre all they could hope for?
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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    This is true. The Kings Scholars are admitted to Eton based purely on intellectual merit and their fees remitted according to need.
    It is a spurious argument to posit that Eton and other independent schools are open to the poor. The existence of bursaries to a small proportion of pupils doesn't mitigate the fact that independent schools are for the vast majority the preserve of the wealthy.

    Am sure as a socialist, you understand that.

    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    I should also think that whether someone's fees were paid in full or remitted in full is wholly irrelevant. A child doesn't choose where they go to school. You cannot hold it against them anymore than you would hold the fact someone grew up in a council estate against them.

    You judge them based on what they go on to do in their life.
    Tell that to the OP
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    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    But that isn't true is it? You can get come from a poor background and get a scholarship. You DONT have to be extremely wealthy.
    Yes that part is strictly speaking not true.

    (Original post by chocolate hottie)
    So I ask again, were you ignorant or lying when you made that incorrect statement?
    It was overlooking the tiny number of poor pupils given scholarships, and making the point that the Eton is for all sense and purposes the preserve of the wealthy
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    If you are so desperate to deflect the discussion to trying to posit that Eton is open to the poor, then by all means, continue to make a fool of yourself.

    You have shown, throughout this thread, to be unable to defend your position, .
    It is you who is making a fool of yourself on this matter. And you who are unale to defend your position.

    I'll give you another chance.

    Did you say that you have to be extremely wealthy to attend Eton?

    This is a binary question, and I'd like a binary answer. Yes or no?

    Do you now accept that you can come from a poor family and attend the school?

    Binary again, yes or no?

    Every single person on this thread knows that your position has crumbled to dust and you haven't been able to defend it. That the answers are yes and yes.
    Even YOU know this.

    I am still waiting for the answer to my other question. Were you lying or ignorant when you made that statement?
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    Yes that part is strictly speaking not true.



    It was overlooking the tiny number of poor pupils given scholarships, and making the point that the Eton is for all sense and purposes the preserve of the wealthy
    Ha ha ha!

    Strictly speaking not true. So it was false! You ARE good at defending your position aren't you.

    And good at making a fool of yourself. Because when you say "overlooking" what that means in ratbag speak is talking out of your rear end. You had no idea of the situation at Eton and yet felt quite qualified to talk bullocks about it.

    It was a pretty stupid thing to say really wasn't it? Do you agree?
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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    It is a spurious argument to posit that Eton and other independent schools are open to the poor
    Did I say they were "open to the poor"?
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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    Did I say they were "open to the poor"?
    This is the position the OP is trying to take
 
 
 
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