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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Perhaps the wrong of my posts
    So is solid 1SD and dashed 2?

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    yeah
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    (Original post by Aph)
    yeah
    May I ask why when comparing party centres at least the Tories move, in our case to be more right wing and become somewhat authoritarian, didn't check the other parties.

    EDIT: Forgot that it's adjusted axes, also worth noting that if you weight the averages it becomes rather fun to find the centre, you should try it some time.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    May I ask why when comparing party centres at least the Tories move, in our case to be more right wing and become somewhat authoritarian, didn't check the other parties.

    EDIT: Forgot that it's adjusted axes, also worth noting that if you weight the averages it becomes rather fun to find the centre, you should try it some time.
    I didn't average the averages but took the house average (average of all the users) if that's what you mean. and yeah adjusted axes
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I didn't average the averages but took the house average (average of all the users) if that's what you mean. and yeah adjusted axes
    That's the boring way of getting to the same position.

    Actually, it doesn't necessarily get to the same position.
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    From the results, the Socialists should merge with the left Labourists and the Greens should merge with the right Socialists and left Liberals. Both parties would be the biggest and control the House easily. Strange that they are so divided.

    It's also strange that nobody is in the top-left.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    From the results, the Socialists should merge with the left Labourists and the Greens should merge with the right Socialists and left Liberals. Both parties would be the biggest and control the House easily. Strange that they are so divided.

    It's also strange that nobody is in the top-left.
    I think the only reason people don't merge the way I've suggested is power. If labour weren't called labour and instead 'the social democrats' then people would move and they wouldn't do so well in the elections.

    Nebeleon, welzi and anon are... Kinda
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    (Original post by Josb)
    From the results, the Socialists should merge with the left Labourists and the Greens should merge with the right Socialists and left Liberals. Both parties would be the biggest and control the House easily. Strange that they are so divided.

    It's also strange that nobody is in the top-left.
    The top left corner is effectively Sovietism which I don't think really has the support of many people at all. Most socialists are by definition anti-establishment to an extent and therefore against the traditional ideas generally associated with authoritarianism. I've been here for years and I don't think I've ever seen anyone who could really be in the top left.
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    The top left corner is effectively Sovietism which I don't think really has the support of many people at all. Most socialists are by definition anti-establishment to an extent and therefore against the traditional ideas generally associated with authoritarianism. I've been here for years and I don't think I've ever seen anyone who could really be in the top left.
    The majority of TSR users would like to ban cigarette, a measure that belongs to the "top left corner" to me, so I'm surprised not to see anybody there.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    The majority of TSR users would like to ban cigarette, a measure that belongs to the "top left corner" to me, so I'm surprised not to see anybody there.
    It's an authoritarian position, nothing left or right about it though. The majority also want to legalise drugs, the vast majority are pro equality for LGBT+ groups, pro-choice, generally anti-mass surveillance etc. The cigarettes seem to be a one-off issue just because they're not very fashionable with some people our age. In any case this House rejected a few times proposals to make smoking more difficult last term - we clearly don't match the forum's opinion on the matter.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    The majority of TSR users would like to ban cigarette, a measure that belongs to the "top left corner" to me, so I'm surprised not to see anybody there.
    I'd point out when we had a bill limiting smoking further or banning being drunk have come from UKIP members. The left has always strongly opposed them.
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    (Original post by United1892)
    I'd point out when we had a bill limiting smoking further or banning being drunk have come from UKIP members. The left has always strongly opposed them.
    *waits for LP to fix his data viewer to test theory of liberalism for even more people*

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    *waits for LP to fix his data viewer to test theory of liberalism for even more people*

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    :ashamed2: Hopefully this weekend!
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    :ashamed2: Hopefully this weekend!
    I recall you saying that last week
    The cabinet announcement might come first, how embarrassing would that be
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I recall you saying that last week
    The cabinet announcement might come first, how embarrassing would that be
    :laugh: Yes, you're right. Ah, so many things to do and so little time. :yawn:
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    (Original post by Josb)
    From the results, the Socialists should merge with the left Labourists and the Greens should merge with the right Socialists and left Liberals. Both parties would be the biggest and control the House easily. Strange that they are so divided.

    It's also strange that nobody is in the top-left.
    The general trend from left to right tends to be mid to bottom left (libertarian left) to mid to top right (authoritarian neo-liberalism).
    Authoritarian left wingers like Stalin tend to be classed by the left as right wingers since they do not conform to the creed of collectivism and are not even remotely democratic, representatively or directly.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    The general trend from left to right tends to be mid to bottom left (libertarian left) to mid to top right (authoritarian neo-liberalism).
    Authoritarian left wingers like Stalin tend to be classed by the left as right wingers since they do not conform to the creed of collectivism and are not even remotely democratic, representatively or directly.
    Says the one with a quote from Lenin as signature.

    Seriously, the disappearance of the authoritarian left is something new. I bet that twenty years ago, many would have been there.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Says the one with a quote from Lenin as signature.

    Seriously, the disappearance of the authoritarian left is something new. I bet that twenty years ago, many would have been there.
    Don't go after Lenin. He utilised the Soviets as a method of direct democracy and listened to the people when they rebelled. He also introduced equality for women and homosexuals, and made abortion legal and divorce easier.

    Twenty years ago I bet there would have been. That would've been during the fall of the Bonapartist USSR, so obviously many would have been there. But they've mainly died out because of its hypocritical nature, apart from of course the Chinese, North Koreans and to some extent, the Cubans.

    Between the 1917 October Revolution and up to Joseph Stalin's consolidation of power, there was a genuine workers' state. The bourgeoisie had been politically overthrown by the working class and the economic basis of that state lay in collective ownership of the means of production.
    After the death of Lenin in 1924, the ruling stratum of the Soviet Union, consolidated around Stalin, was held to be a bureaucratic caste, and not a new ruling class, because its political control did not also extend to economic ownership.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    Says the one with a quote from Lenin as signature.

    Seriously, the disappearance of the authoritarian left is something new. I bet that twenty years ago, many would have been there.
    The left has engaged in a post-soviet marketing exercise to basically decry anybody in the red square as a nasty right winger and reject the concept of national socialism. Such people exist but likely don't shout about it being disliked by the liberal-left and right. Another result of the marketing exercise is that people confuse social democracy and libertarian socialism which was probably the intent since social democrats are viewed as lovely, compassionate people.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The left has engaged in a post-soviet marketing exercise to basically decry anybody in the red square as a nasty right winger and reject the concept of national socialism. Such people exist but likely don't shout about it being disliked by the liberal-left and right. Another result of the marketing exercise is that people confuse social democracy and libertarian socialism which was probably the intent since social democrats are viewed as lovely, compassionate people.
    Except Social Democrats and libertarian socialists are entirely different things, social democrats are effectively statists and still believe that the state should control the means of production (to an extent) whilst libertarian socialists believe that the workers should own the means of production.
 
 
 
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