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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    I Argee how can you say Islam is a peaceful religion? You cant because its not therefore its needs to be wiped off the face of the earth
    But we also can't do that - you cannot kill an idea for. Nazism remains in existence. Racism remains in existence. Sexism remains in existence. Homophobia remains in existence.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    But we also can't do that - you cannot kill an idea for. Nazism remains in existence. Racism remains in existence. Sexism remains in existence. Homophobia remains in existence.
    Good Point but in my opinion religion needs to be absolute or not at all ( 1 religion or No religion) I am against all religion its has caused some many conflicts and wars that it really isn't worth it anymore . Islam isn't peaceful its not and people need to realise the danger of it
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    Good Point but in my opinion religion needs to be absolute or not at all ( 1 religion or No religion) I am against all religion its has caused some many conflicts and wars that it really isn't worth it anymore . Islam isn't peaceful its not and people need to realise the danger of it
    Although I don't agree, I completely understand people who are anti-religious. It's a question of pragmatism though: you cannot realistically eliminate religion, so how do you minimise what you see as the damage it causes as far as possible?
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    There are specialist response teams but most of SCO19 are unprepared for attacks, the branch of SCO19 which would be needed are the CTSFOs who have a longer response time. I do feel there is inadequate police protection in Britain to a similar attack Paris experienced. In eight minutes an AK47 could fire 4800 rounds, it takes a second for a bomb to detonate, five seconds for a thrown grenade to explode, and took 14 minutes after being called for SCO19 to respond to the Lee Rigby incident in London; this is not adequate.
    I accept that, but to increase their response time would mean massively increasing the size of SCO19 which would take months due to the advanced training courses, and could mean getting rid of psychological and written tests to quickly meet the demand, leading to unstable/incompetent officers in possession of firearms.

    I do agree, but I don't think something like Paris could happen in the UK (actually, not NI), especially in London: there's a much larger police presence, there is CCTV everywhere, and gun control is extremely high on such an island.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    These suicide bombers are going to be so very scared of being executed this will be the end of terrorism!
    What makes you think I meant them? I only used them as an example of that sort of people…
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    According to Agence France-Presse (AFP), two men connected with the attacks were registered as migrants with Greek authorities. There you have it, liberal lefties, these are your so-called ‘refugees’…
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    Its worth noting that many of the French Soliders and Police have algerian hertiga and are muslim.

    In addition when AQAP attacked a kosher supermarket in Paris, the muslim shop assistant saved at least 6 people.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...old-store.html.

    To blame this on Islam is naive, its like blaming Northern Ireland Conflict on Catholicism. Why didnt catholics from other parts of europe bomb London in the 70s and 80s ?

    Islam is just a vechile for theese people. Through out history barbarians have taken power, largely because the legiamte state has been unable to provide basic services for its people.

    Whilst its true muslim are far more socially conservative than most British people, we should not confuse that with terrorism.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    According to Agence France-Presse (AFP), two men connected with the attacks were registered as migrants with Greek authorities. There you have it, liberal lefties, these are your so-called ‘refugees’…
    When will the world and the people wake upto this fact! I hope it is soon, before something like this happens on British streets.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    I accept that, but to increase their response time would mean massively increasing the size of SCO19 which would take months due to the advanced training courses, and could mean getting rid of psychological and written tests to quickly meet the demand, leading to unstable/incompetent officers in possession of firearms.

    I do agree, but I don't think something like Paris could happen in the UK (actually, not NI), especially in London: there's a much larger police presence, there is CCTV everywhere, and gun control is extremely high on such an island.
    I propose special forces soldiers can join the armed response teams as a temporary measure until police officers can be trained up. The gun control is an interesting point, Europe's Schengen area has allowed lots of cheap assault rifles to freely move from the Balkans to all over Europe; if illegal immigrants can enter Britain without being detected I am certain disassembled weapon parts can.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    if illegal immigrants can enter Britain without being detected I am certain disassembled weapon parts can.
    Actually, that's very true: I remember the Provisional IRA's South Armagh Brigade, famed for their sniper campaign, having 2 or 3 Barrett sniper rifles posted to them in parts from Chicago. And with the fall of the Soviet Union there are loads of European Kalashnikovs floating around the black market.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    According to Agence France-Presse (AFP), two men connected with the attacks were registered as migrants with Greek authorities. There you have it, liberal lefties, these are your so-called ‘refugees’…
    Dame liberal lefty Cameron who agreed to take in refugees and refused to get Britain out of the EU!
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Dame liberal lefty Cameron who agreed to take in refugees and refused to get Britain out of the EU!
    He did do it because he practically had to; I'm also not a huge fan of Dave so I'm not sure how is that relevant. The fact is that we're getting first confirmations of ‘refugees’ becoming terrorists and that's all I wanted to say.
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
    I Argee how can you say Islam is a peaceful religion? You cant because its not therefore its needs to be wiped off the face of the earth
    There are many religions that can't be called peaceful, but you can't wipe them off the face of the earth:
    - Judaism has been involved in wars over the centuries, the most religious-based war being the Israeli-Palestinian currently.
    - Christianity has been the cause of many bloody wars and massacres, the Crusades, Reformation, Protestant slave trade of Catholics, sack of Drogheda etc.
    - Catholicism especially has a large militant history, the templar knight monks are a good example.
    - Buddhism had several orders of monks who were committed to martial arts, ninjitsu etc.
    - Islam was also involved in the Crusades and has been involved in war and conflict since its beginning, as has Christianity. Islam is a religion which advocates peace and peace-making. However, it is not a pacifist religion; fighting and war is permitted in certain circumstances when all else has been tried and failed.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    There are many religions that can't be called peaceful, but you can't wipe them off the face of the earth:
    - Judaism has been involved in wars over the centuries, the most religious-based war being the Israeli-Palestinian currently.
    - Christianity has been the cause of many bloody wars and massacres, the Crusades, Reformation, Protestant slave trade of Catholics, sack of Drogheda etc.
    - Catholicism especially has a large militant history, the templar knight monks are a good example.
    - Buddhism had several orders of monks who were committed to martial arts, ninjitsu etc.
    - Islam was also involved in the Crusades and has been involved in war and conflict since its beginning, as has Christianity. Islam is a religion which advocates peace and peace-making. However, it is not a pacifist religion; fighting and war is permitted in certain circumstances when all else has been tried and failed.
    You're stretching it with Buddhism slightly.


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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    Do you have proof of this or is it just UKIP scaremongering as per usual?
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...nment-official
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    There are many religions that can't be called peaceful, but you can't wipe them off the face of the earth:
    - Judaism has been involved in wars over the centuries, the most religious-based war being the Israeli-Palestinian currently.
    - Christianity has been the cause of many bloody wars and massacres, the Crusades, Reformation, Protestant slave trade of Catholics, sack of Drogheda etc.
    - Catholicism especially has a large militant history, the templar knight monks are a good example.
    - Buddhism had several orders of monks who were committed to martial arts, ninjitsu etc.
    - Islam was also involved in the Crusades and has been involved in war and conflict since its beginning, as has Christianity. Islam is a religion which advocates peace and peace-making. However, it is not a pacifist religion; fighting and war is permitted in certain circumstances when all else has been tried and failed.
    I agree that many different religious have demonstrated acts of violence, but these religions should be allowed as long as they are compatible with modern times and are not forms of fundamentalism. Islam should not be practiced in its seventh century form. It should be practiced in a way that is compatible with today's Britain, and that means no Sharia law or anything like that. If Islam is practiced in its seventh century form, it becomes a more dangerous ideology than Communism or Fascism.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    He did do it because he practically had to; I'm also not a huge fan of Dave so I'm not sure how is that relevant. The fact is that we're getting first confirmations of ‘refugees’ becoming terrorists and that's all I wanted to say.
    It's relevant because you attempted to blame everything on 'liberal lefties'. If you think Dave is one of them, either don't say 'liberal lefties' or put him into that category like I have. For all intents and purposes, that's not all you wanted to say.

    And I'm disappointed - I thought you were pedantic. One refugee doesn't make a plural.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    According to Agence France-Presse (AFP), two men connected with the attacks were registered as migrants with Greek authorities. There you have it, liberal lefties, these are your so-called ‘refugees’…
    We should of never accepted 20,000 refuges , this just proves me point not all " migrants " are actually " migrants "

    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    There are many religions that can't be called peaceful, but you can't wipe them off the face of the earth:
    - Judaism has been involved in wars over the centuries, the most religious-based war being the Israeli-Palestinian currently.
    - Christianity has been the cause of many bloody wars and massacres, the Crusades, Reformation, Protestant slave trade of Catholics, sack of Drogheda etc.
    - Catholicism especially has a large militant history, the templar knight monks are a good example.
    - Buddhism had several orders of monks who were committed to martial arts, ninjitsu etc.
    - Islam was also involved in the Crusades and has been involved in war and conflict since its beginning, as has Christianity. Islam is a religion which advocates peace and peace-making. However, it is not a pacifist religion; fighting and war is permitted in certain circumstances when all else has been tried and failed.
    Like I said I am against all religion , I chose to mention Islam in more detail because over the last 20 years or so it has been one of the major factors in Conficts in the middle east this so called " caliphate " needs to be wiped of the face of the earth along with Shia islam
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    If the citizens of france had the right to bear arms then this tragedy could have been avoided or at least the number of casualties would have been lower. The prohibition of weapons has left the civilian population in Europe practically defenseless. What would you do if someone decides to pull out a knife or a gun at you? Run? Hide? We as citizens need to have the right to defend ourselves and not simply rely on the authorities to protect us.
 
 
 
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