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    (Original post by newpersonage)
    Random picture with no context, no explanation, no way of saying where or when it was taken. In short, adding absolutely nothing to the discussion. Well done on an entirely pointless waste of space.
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    (Original post by SmallDuck)
    If there were no terrorists, there would be no need for bomber pilots.

    So terrorists are worse.

    (Plus bomber pilots have good intentions - to stop the spread of terrorism)
    Yes there would.
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    (Original post by seeXYZ)
    Its's really is that simple.

    If you can't see the obvious, then I can't help you. They slaughtered, rape, enslave Muslims and non-Muslims alike. If you choose to believe they won't do it, then its your choice. Maybe you need a closer look, maybe you should stay in the Caliphate for a month or two... and see if their values is really closer to ours...

    The fact that you can't tell the difference between a Hezbolla's flag and "mushroom cloud" speaks volume.

    Hey, it's a free country, your choice.

    Almost always whenever anyone says something is "that simple" it isn't.


    Anyway the poster you quoted made a good point,one of the best on this largely pointless but nonetheless diverting thread.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
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    Its the liberation of Sinjar, its been all over the news - see http://www.mwcnews.net/news/middle-e...liberated.html

    There are worse pictures



    I was illustrating "rubbleization". Of course, none of this was done by bombers....

    At present we have an undeclared war that is torturing a whole swathe of the Middle East. Our journalists and assorted idiots caused it by invading Iraq and declaring an "Arab Spring" without knowing what they were talking about or doing.

    The "West" should either invade and impose a colonial style government or get out. What they must not do is what they are doing: encouraging foreign combatants to come to Europe to stoke up enough public opinion in favour of bombing for the next bombing raid.
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    (Original post by newpersonage)
    If someone's mother is in a house that gets blown up she gets killed. If a kid is in a car she gets killed. The combat is occurring in villages and towns where fighters are highly mixed with civilians.
    The combat is occurring in town's and villages where most civilians have fled. And Western air forces are generally not targeting buildings due to the risk of civilian deaths, they are primarily targeting vehicles (vehicles being used in combat.. they're not carrying a random grandmother) and directly engaging ISIL troops on the ground. If you bothered to actually look at the daily sortie reports you would know that.

    But that doesn't fit with your anachronistic, ignorant far left misunderstanding of modern warfare
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    (Original post by newpersonage)
    There are worse pictures
    So what we've got there is one picture of a building flattened by an airstrike. The majority of the town is intact, there was barely even a battle.

    The people who are actually from the town, the Yezidis, would much prefer a few buildings were levelled and the hated ISIS expelled than to have a permanent occupation by ISIS, in which case whether the buildings are standing or not makes no difference to them.

    But I suppose in your messed up far left worldview, it would be far better to allow ISIS to remain in control.

    Quids says you are far more positive about Russian bombings
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    (Original post by newpersonage)
    Its the liberation of Sinjar, its been all over the news - see http://www.mwcnews.net/news/middle-e...liberated.html

    There are worse pictures



    I was illustrating "rubbleization". Of course, none of this was done by bombers....

    At present we have an undeclared war that is torturing a whole swathe of the Middle East. Our journalists and assorted idiots caused it by invading Iraq and declaring an "Arab Spring" without knowing what they were talking about or doing.

    The "West" should either invade and impose a colonial style government or get out. What they must not do is what they are doing: encouraging foreign combatants to come to Europe to stoke up enough public opinion in favour of bombing for the next bombing raid.
    Obviously the Arabs themselves should have a say and would probably resist Western governance, but for all the talk of Western action being to blame, there really is a discussion about a lack of Western action being the potential problem. The West did very little in Syria compared with Iraq and Afghanistan and that's probably the worst place right now.
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    (Original post by woIfie)
    But that doesn't fit with your anachronistic, ignorant far left misunderstanding of modern warfare
    No I didn't realise that no-one dies in a modern war except the enemy, who deserve to die. I have been listening too long to those conspiracy theories that say that bombs kill innocent civilians, but, as you suggest, there are no real civilians and even if they were there the bombs would blast around them and so miss!
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    (Original post by The Rad Prince)
    Obviously the Arabs themselves should have a say and would probably resist Western governance, but for all the talk of Western action being to blame, there really is a discussion about a lack of Western action being the potential problem. The West did very little in Syria compared with Iraq and Afghanistan and that's probably the worst place right now.
    The West has either got to step aside or do the old colonial trick of picking a side, arming it to the teeth, backing it with troops on the ground and being prepared to garrison the country for 50 years whilst it runs a puppet government. Oh, and it needs the Russians to behave as in Chechnya - a rod of iron and kill any journalists who report it.
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    (Original post by newpersonage)
    The pilots who fly bombing raids over Syria, rubbelizing the whole country and killing thousands of civilians also believe they are in the right.
    From the Guardian

    "US officials previously had said they avoided attacking fuel trucks out of concern for civilian casualties.Navy captain Jeff Davis, a Pentagon spokesman, said that in an effort to warn the truck drivers to leave the area in advance of Sunday’s attacks, leaflets were dropped and coalition planes conducted low-level “show of force” flights over the site."

    See the difference?
    If they had the opportunity, the air force command would escort all civilians to safety before attacking military targets.
    It's really not that difficult.
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    (Original post by QE2)
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    If they had the opportunity, the air force command would escort all civilians to safety before attacking military targets.
    It's really not that difficult.
    I really don't know why they use soldiers with guns. The bombers can pull up in the street, hold the lollipop stick up to stop the traffic, escort the children to safety, hop up in the air again and shout from the window "watch out bombs coming! Has everyone got to safety?" The bomber then pats its little smart bomb on its nose and says "you be careful down there, don't kill anyone except evil people!". The bomb snuggles up and replies "I am very smart, you know I wont let you down" and then dodges off towards the sunset, determined to do good.
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    (Original post by newpersonage)
    The terrorists who attacked Paris believed that they were fighting for a good cause and even died for it. They mercilessly killed civilians.

    The pilots who fly bombing raids over Syria, rubbelizing the whole country and killing thousands of civilians also believe they are in the right.

    No war has been declared by the Western forces and although the ISIS forces have declared war on the West this was not an "official declaration".

    Who is worst?
    The terrorist because the pilot is acting in a legal framework.
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    (Original post by newpersonage)
    I really don't know why they use soldiers with guns. The bombers can pull up in the street, hold the lollipop stick up to stop the traffic, escort the children to safety, hop up in the air again and shout from the window "watch out bombs coming! Has everyone got to safety?" The bomber then pats its little smart bomb on its nose and says "you be careful down there, don't kill anyone except evil people!". The bomb snuggles up and replies "I am very smart, you know I wont let you down" and then dodges off towards the sunset, determined to do good.
    Truth hurts, I assume?
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    (Original post by The Rad Prince)
    Obviously the Arabs themselves should have a say and would probably resist Western governance, but for all the talk of Western action being to blame, there really is a discussion about a lack of Western action being the potential problem. The West did very little in Syria compared with Iraq and Afghanistan and that's probably the worst place right now.
    Get out and cordon them off probably makes most sense from a purely selfish perspective and perhaps, in the long run, from an Arab perspective.
 
 
 
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