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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    Thanks for confirming you don't understand what a sample size is.

    Also interesting that you said the Muslims in "that city" can't be representative.

    What city? There's no indication the interviews were in just one location.

    Perhaps you should brush up on polling and statistics so you can better understand how you can deduce the views of large numbers of people through mathematically-determined sample sizes. Clearly that's not something you understand
    Listen, I'm not here to make another person feel daft so I won't talk down to you like you have to me. What I am trying to say is that I can guarantee you these views do not arise simply because of Islam, because I have grown up in these sort of communities. Its when Islam is combined with a backwards cultural view of thinking that many Muslims down south have is when you get these view point.

    Many young Muslims who have grown up away from the influences of these cultural pressures don't have these views. If you want to make a statement such as the one the article is making there needs to be a holistic investigation of why these issues are occurring.
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    What city? Why are you claiming it's just in one city?
    Because he either doesn't believe or does not want to believe the results, and what do people do when evidence is against them? - The attack the methodology of obtaining such evidence. The next stage will be creating a false comparison of another unrelated demographic in an attempt to lessen the impact of the results, e.g. "look, group X have 35% supporting making it illegal, only a few less than in the survey".
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    I'm a British muslim and no one's asked me what I think so no one can say "half of the British muslims"

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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    Because he either doesn't believe or does not want to believe the results
    I don't think many people really want to believe these results.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    Because he either doesn't believe or does not want to believe the results, and what do people do when evidence is against them? - The attack the methodology of obtaining such evidence. The next stage will be creating a false comparison of another unrelated demographic in an attempt to lessen the impact of the results, e.g. "look, group X have 35% supporting making it illegal, only a few less than in the survey".
    I think he genuinely doesn't understand how statistics works. He is unaware of the concepts of sample sizes, confidence intervals, margins of error, etc. He doesn't know that the methodology of statistical analysis is scientifically proven, that you can deduce the views of millions of people through a mathematically-calculated sample size to within mathematically defined margins of error.

    Even so, as you say, I don't think he'd want to believe it even if he did understand it. Which is part of the problem with that community; head in the sand so nothing ever changes.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    I don't think many people really want to believe these results.
    That is precisely why, or at least largely assists in these views occurring, as people prefer to look the other way and pretend that all is well, despite evidence being presented to them.
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    (Original post by AdilAD)
    I'm a British muslim and no one's asked me what I think so no one can say "half of the British muslims"
    Do you not understand how statistics work? How is it that so many of the Muslims who come on this thread to say "I wasn't asked" etc can progress through our educational system while being ignorant of these basic principles of mathematics and science?
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    (Original post by Zain-A)
    Listen, I'm not here to make another person feel daft so I won't talk down to you like you have to me. What I am trying to say is that I can guarantee you these views do not arise simply because of Islam, because I have grown up in these sort of communities. Its when Islam is combined with a backwards cultural view of thinking that many Muslims down south have is when you get these view point.

    Many young Muslims who have grown up away from the influences of these cultural pressures don't have these views. If you want to make a statement such as the one the article is making there needs to be a holistic investigation of why these issues are occurring.
    Islam IS a backwards cultural view of thinking.
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    The science of statistics is extremely well proven and has been for a long time.7

    You can be mathematically almost certain that for a population of, say, 5 million that you can deduce their views through polling with a confidence level of about 95% and a margin of error of about 3% by polling around 2,000 people from within the group.

    That's simply a scientific fact, proven over decades. You clearly don't understand the science of statistics and polling, hence you start asking stupid questions about how polling about 2000 people could show the views of millions with accuracy
    I just don't understand why everyone's attitude, and the attitude of the article is kinda like "oh well, they have these views, we can't ever get on with them now" instead of trying to find ways to stop further generations sharing the same views.
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    Do you not understand how statistics work? How is it that so many of the Muslims who come on this thread to say "I wasn't asked" etc can progress through our educational system while being ignorant of these basic principles of mathematics and science?
    I don't know. Maybe they're just thick?
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    (Original post by Zain-A)
    Listen, I'm not here to make another person feel daft so I won't talk down to you like you have to me. What I am trying to say is that I can guarantee you these views do not arise simply because of Islam, because I have grown up in these sort of communities. Its when Islam is combined with a backwards cultural view of thinking that many Muslims down south have is when you get these view point.

    Many young Muslims who have grown up away from the influences of these cultural pressures don't have these views. If you want to make a statement such as the one the article is making there needs to be a holistic investigation of why these issues are occurring.
    Interviewing thousands of people is a pretty holistic investigation. In fact, for the population size interviewing 1800 people is probably a slight over-sample.

    But even leaving aside the statistics, your attempt to deny the very well known views of Muslims on this is astonishing. It's not a matter of serious debate that Islam is the most homophobic religion. It's not a coincidence that the only countries that prescribe the death penalty for gay people are Muslim countries
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Islam IS a backwards cultural view of thinking.
    I completely agree

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    (Original post by Zain-A)
    I just don't understand why everyone's attitude, and the attitude of the article is kinda like "oh well, they have these views, we can't ever get on with them now" instead of trying to find ways to stop further generations sharing the same views.
    We have tried to help them. We invited them into advanced areas of the planet, to share the prosperity of the West and be a part of our society.

    They kicked sand in our face, refusing to integrate and looking down on the kufr. How is it our responsibility to do even more than we already do?

    Whenever we do try to deal with extremism in the Muslim community and ask them to help us, they start shrieking about how we're trying to turn them into spies on their own families. It's always no win

    How 'bout they take responsibility for themselves, for once?
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    Because he either doesn't believe or does not want to believe the results, and what do people do when evidence is against them? - The attack the methodology of obtaining such evidence. The next stage will be creating a false comparison of another unrelated demographic in an attempt to lessen the impact of the results, e.g. "look, group X have 35% supporting making it illegal, only a few less than in the survey".
    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    I think he genuinely doesn't understand how statistics works. He is unaware of the concepts of sample sizes, confidence intervals, margins of error, etc. He doesn't know that the methodology of statistical analysis is scientifically proven, that you can deduce the views of millions of people through a mathematically-calculated sample size to within mathematically defined margins of error.

    Even so, as you say, I don't think he'd want to believe it even if he did understand it. Which is part of the problem with that community; head in the sand so nothing ever changes.
    I'm happy to admit I didn't think 1800 people was a large enough sample size, so lets move on now yes?

    I never said I didn't believe the statistics? Has anyone read my posts? I'm just saying it isn't fir to claim its half of every sing ****ing muslim in the UK.

    (Original post by Howard)
    Islam IS a backwards cultural view of thinking.
    Says the guy with a confederate flag picture...
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    (Original post by AdilAD)
    That's like asking 5 white men if they like black women and when they say yeah your argument is "more than half of the white men in this world like black women" like ***** sort yourself out

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    The ignorance shown in this post is too strong.
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    (Original post by AdilAD)
    That's like asking 5 white men if they like black women and when they say yeah your argument is "more than half of the white men in this world like black women" like ***** sort yourself out
    You seem to be shamefully confused and uneducated. Even if I explained the science of statistical methodology to you, explained how you can mathematically work out the right sample size to determine and poll the views of a particular population of a particular size, you'd find some other delusional way to avoid dealing with it so it's a waste of my time.

    But seriously, how can anyone who comes through the British school system be so uneducated? I learned about statistical methodologies in grade 4
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    Interviewing thousands of people is a pretty holistic investigation. In fact, for the population size interviewing 1800 people is probably a slight over-sample.

    But even leaving aside the statistics, your attempt to deny the very well known views of Muslims on this is astonishing. It's not a matter of serious debate that Islam is the most homophobic religion. It's not a coincidence that the only countries that prescribe the death penalty for gay people are Muslim countries
    I didn't deny anything. What i've been saying is its not just down to Islam.
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    We have tried to help them. We invited them into advanced areas of the planet, to share the prosperity of the West and be a part of our society.

    They kicked sand in our face, refusing to integrate and looking down on the kufr. How is it our responsibility to do even more than we already do?

    Whenever we do try to deal with extremism in the Muslim community and ask them to help us, they start shrieking about how we're trying to turn them into spies on their own families. It's always no win

    How 'bout they take responsibility for themselves, for once?
    Just saying you can't always say "them" to accuse all muslims. I don't practice the religion because I disagree with some of the beliefs so I aint one of those extemists. There are still some peaceful ones out there:top:

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    (Original post by Zain-A)
    I'm happy to admit I didn't think 1800 people was a large enough sample size, so lets move on now yes?

    I never said I didn't believe the statistics? Has anyone read my posts? I'm just saying it isn't fir to claim its half of every sing ****ing muslim in the UK.



    Says the guy with a confederate flag picture...

    So what sample size will you accept? 2000? 20,000? 1 billion? - You have to be realistic and you seem to miss the point regarding margins of error.
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    (Original post by Zain-A)
    This simply isn't true, how was every single British Muslim polled huh? I wasn't polled. Stop exaggerating every single thing, it polled 1801 people in 1 city where there is many other factors involved rather than just being Muslim...
    No. The sample was from all over the UK, and the total sample size (face-to-face + telephone) was 2089.

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...ard-2016_04_09
 
 
 
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