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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    But you haven't answered.
    You have no idea and you're hiding behind other posters who also haven't answered the question.

    If you don't want immigrants fine, but don't pretend that if we got rid of them that corporations would start paying their workers more.

    Real life economcis doesn't work as an exact science, as much as you might think it does.

    The thing is other posters and I have all answered the question. The supply and demand of workers determines the remuneration that workers get.

    You seem to think without migrants we still have a never ending supply of workers, we don't. There are only 2 million unemployed people in the UK and lets be honest at least half a million of those will be dole dossers. There are way more migrants doing unskilled jobs here than the remaining number. Even the governor of the bank of England has said wages would go up if migration was restricted http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rise-year.html

    You then keep coming up with a question about Norfolk....... who the hell even cares about Norfolk its hardly one the beating hearts of commerce in the UK its a bunch of big fields, The reality for Norfolk is it is a sparsely populated county without much diversity to its economy and a lack of cities, no wonder migrants don't go there. When we talk of migration issues we talk about the UK as a whole not Norfolk, the out Hebrides or Cornwall because it is irrelevant.

    If you don't get it at this point just don't bother replying
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    All migrants receive an NI number, not all those who receive an NI number are migrants. Seems pretty clear.
    The numbers are for eu nationals only


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    (Original post by paul514)
    The numbers are for eu nationals only


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    Yes, I know. What's your point?
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Yes, I know. What's your point?
    There is over 300,000 migrants who aren't on the official figures, where did they go? Lol


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    (Original post by paul514)
    There is over 300,000 migrants who aren't on the official figures, where did they go? Lol


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    They're not migrants. They received an NI number, but it doesn't mean they're migrants. Not everyone who does some work in the UK is an immigrant.
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    (Original post by paul514)
    There is over 300,000 migrants who aren't on the official figures, where did they go? Lol


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    Just because someone has a NI number does not mean they have a job or they are even in the country. Someone from the EU could come to Britain and apply for a NI number a try to get a job but they might not get one and leave the country or they might only work for a short time and leave the country.

    NI numbers are not cancelled when a EU national leaves Britain so it will over estimate the number of EU nationals in Britain if you use just the NI numbers.
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    (Original post by paul514)
    The thing is other posters and I have all answered the question. The supply and demand of workers determines the remuneration that workers get.

    You seem to think without migrants we still have a never ending supply of workers, we don't. There are only 2 million unemployed people in the UK and lets be honest at least half a million of those will be dole dossers. There are way more migrants doing unskilled jobs here than the remaining number. Even the governor of the bank of England has said wages would go up if migration was restricted http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rise-year.html

    You then keep coming up with a question about Norfolk....... who the hell even cares about Norfolk its hardly one the beating hearts of commerce in the UK its a bunch of big fields, The reality for Norfolk is it is a sparsely populated county without much diversity to its economy and a lack of cities, no wonder migrants don't go there. When we talk of migration issues we talk about the UK as a whole not Norfolk, the out Hebrides or Cornwall because it is irrelevant.

    If you don't get it at this point just don't bother replying
    There are 500 thousand current vacancies in the uk.

    Except the Norfolk point proves you wrong and shows your economcis at best to be GCSEs standard. There are a multitude of reasons for low wages, some jobs can be done by anyone, others can be done by automation. Sometimes wages are low due to geographical and social reasons.

    You are stating it like it's an exact science, like if immigrants leave that McDonald's will start paying more but that isn't the case. Because what causes wages to be low is that the Job is low skilled and there will always be people who need a job willing to do it for minimum wage.

    If your point was correct then areas with no immigration like Norfolk would have much higher wages no?
    There are plenty of other examples, yorkshire too has low immigration and its wages are no higher. London has high immigration and high wages.


    You also are wildly inconsistent with supply and demand. You refuse to acknowledge that huge numbers of immigrants create DEMAND for services which if anything will lead to more jobs, not less.


    Do you really think McDonalds would pay more if there were no immigrants? Of course not.
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    I don't think immigrants have much effect on wages. There have always been low wage jobs long before mass migration.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    There are 500 thousand current vacancies in the uk.

    Except the Norfolk point proves you wrong and shows your economcis at best to be GCSEs standard. There are a multitude of reasons for low wages, some jobs can be done by anyone, others can be done by automation. Sometimes wages are low due to geographical and social reasons.

    You are stating it like it's an exact science, like if immigrants leave that McDonald's will start paying more but that isn't the case. Because what causes wages to be low is that the Job is low skilled and there will always be people who need a job willing to do it for minimum wage.

    If your point was correct then areas with no immigration like Norfolk would have much higher wages no?
    There are plenty of other examples, yorkshire too has low immigration and its wages are no higher. London has high immigration and high wages.


    You also are wildly inconsistent with supply and demand. You refuse to acknowledge that huge numbers of immigrants create DEMAND for services which if anything will lead to more jobs, not less.


    Do you really think McDonalds would pay more if there were no immigrants? Of course not.
    I give up with you it's like you can't read


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    (Original post by paul514)
    They are the governments figures not ukips and they aren't even correct for instance over 600,000 new national insurance numbers were issued to European migrants last year yet the official government figures show about half of that as migrants. Get an education on the issues


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    Im talking about the refugee crisis you dullard. Dont put words in my mouth.

    As i said in my previous point, we have border control. The reason we dont reach our target is thanks to the Conservatives.
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    This just shows how idiotic you are. Read the full article and you will see how inaccurate that figure is.

    a) It's not only long term migrants, it includes people who leave within a year (many of whom do)
    b) The figure includes people who would have left long ago
    c) the figure would also include people who came long ago

    This just proves how much of degenerate you are, you just blindly read the statistics without questioning it. You take figures that Farage uses as his own argument and dont realise how illegitimate it is.
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    (Original post by paul514)
    I give up with you it's like you can't read


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    No, it's more like you're understanding of real world economics is limited to a GCSE textbook. You seem to think simple equations work perfectly in real life, they do not.
    As explained there are numerous reasons why certain jobs pay low wages and would do so even without immigration.
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    (Original post by ULT)
    This just shows how idiotic you are. Read the full article and you will see how inaccurate that figure is.

    a) It's not only long term migrants, it includes people who leave within a year (many of whom do)
    b) The figure includes people who would have left long ago
    c) the figure would also include people who came long ago

    This just proves how much of degenerate you are, you just blindly read the statistics without questioning it. You take figures that Farage uses as his own argument and dont realise how illegitimate it is.
    So 50% of people from the Eu who come here to work leave within 12 months and they don't come with any children, family members or wives.

    The figure might include up to 50k of Romanians who were already here (but not counted in the official government survey figures as the people couldn't say they were coming here to work lol)

    Also it doesn't explain similar figures for previous years which have been leaked but not verified (that can't be done for another 6 weeks)

    The figure can't include those who left long ago as they have applied for a new ni number .

    On a side note clear up your language you embarrass yourself


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    (Original post by TSRFT8)
    Because these people do NOT want to work. Immigrants come from countries were even £1 is alot of money and they are thankful for even jobs such as toilet cleaning because they can send money home.

    Natives just moan about the job as they dont see it as "up to their standard" why do you think these employers hire immigrants? You answered your own statement "Prefer to sit on their arses and let the immigrants do the work"



    Okay lets kick them all out - I would love to see how the UK fares. Some of the highest earners and tax payers in this country are "immigrants" you illiterate ****. I will use the car cleaning example again - They make money from that albeit They make very little, the native wont do that because scrounging on benefits is far more relaxing then getting up at 6am and washing cars you cant afford. Do you know how degrading it is for them to do these jobs - Do they moan? No.
    A poster who has to resort to insult admits they have lost the argument.
 
 
 
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