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    (Original post by Youngmetro)
    Good, stop quoting me now, it was entertaining triggering you, not anymore.
    Mmm, I agree. You obviously lost this one, by a good amount I'll say.
    Hopefully next time, you'll actually do research before running your mouth.
    Ta-ra
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    (Original post by Eigo-Jin)
    Mmm, I agree. You obviously lost this one, by a good amount I'll say.
    Hopefully next time, you'll actually do research before running your mouth.
    Ta-ra
    You seem very obsessed with 'winning' even though i've exposed your insecurities and fallacies. Failing to reply doesnt mean ive lost.
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    (Original post by Youngmetro)
    Racism, superiority complexity, colonialism and slavery? No thanks. And dont gimme this ******** 'but but but we werent the only ones to take slaves'

    Why you getting emotional? Is being british the only thing you can be proud of?
    LMAO at you. As if other races didn't take slaves, hell, the Africans made slaves of each other and Islam is still making slaves in that part of the world. If I'm not mistaken Saudia Arabia only criminalised slavery as recently as the seventies.

    The British have much to be proud of and I'm proud that I'm a Brit
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    (Original post by Youngmetro)
    lmaooo most of the youth arent even patriots anyway, just on TSR

    who gives a **** anymore, patriotism and nationalism is dead
    (Original post by Youngmetro)
    The Chinese dont use their culture to undermine other cultures and people, the british do.


    The Chinese dont think others should be forced to adopt their culture, the British do.


    The Chinese dont think their culture is superior to others, the British do (well, western culture)


    the Chinese dont uphold their culture and believe others should look up to it, the British do.


    The Chinese have a culture, the British dont.


    People who claim to be nationalists in Britain spend more time bashing other cultures, screaming about immigrants and muslims rather than actually being proud of their mundane culture. They simply shout 'Culture Relativism is ********'
    Wrong. Wrong on so many levels.

    Imperialism doesn't exist in Britain any more.

    If you go to a foreign country you follow their laws and customs because it's their country not yours and as a guest you have no right to tell them how to live. The same applies in Britain as well. You come here, you adopt our ways. If you don't like it you can go home.

    We don't.

    We don't.

    We do have a culture. The idea that we don't is perpetuated by second gens and left wing traitors in order to cover up their immoral and anti white acts. It's an excuse they use to destroy our heritage.

    Because immigrants who don't integrate (mainly muslims) are destroying everything it means to be British!

    Nationalism/patriotism is the love of one's country and culture and the desire to protect it. Nothing wrong with that at all.

    Racism is the hatred of a race based only on irrationality.

    Nationalism/patriotism != racism.

    Personally I think it's too late for Britain. Leftist traitors handed it over to the immigrants on a silver platter back in the early 2000's. I grew up in the countryside, surrounded by British culture. When London expanded and encompassed my area I was smacked in the face by an unrecognisable perversion of British values. I've never felt so betrayed. It was like the government was deliberately killing our heritage.

    My ancestors are probably rolling in their graves right now. They've had their country, a country which they gave their lives for, eaten away from the inside by leftist scum. The damage is unrepairable. I have no loyalty to this rock any more. I'm actually hoping to move to Russia. I don't agree with a few of Putin's laws, but the man restored my faith in humanity by protecting the interests of the Russian people despite the continued slander he receives from leftist dogs for doing so. IMO that kind of honour and loyalty to his people is what every leader should aspire to have. Russia is worthy of my loyalty, Britain (sadly) is not.

    When Britain falls to the onslaught of socialist pigs I'll be safe in Russia, smug at the fact that I told you so.

    Do vstrechi levykh sobak, privet Rossii! :russia:
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    LMAO at you. As if other races didn't take slaves, hell, the Africans made slaves of each other and Islam is still making slaves in that part of the world. If I'm not mistaken Saudia Arabia only decriminalised slavery as recently as the seventies.
    Is this how you defend their actions? "everyone else did it, so why cant the brits do it too"
    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    The British have much to be proud of and I'm proud that I'm a Brit
    good for you, be proud
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    There are different kinds of patriotism.

    When Thatcher called Attlee a 'patriot' I doubt she was referring to the massive flag of St George flapping above his caravan, his dislike of ethnic minorities or his propensity to bawl Rule Britannia at every football match England appeared in
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    Wrong. Wrong on so many levels.

    Imperialism doesn't exist in Britain any more.

    If you go to a foreign country you follow their laws and customs because it's their country not yours and as a guest you have no right to tell them how to live. The same applies in Britain as well. You come here, you adopt our ways. If you don't like it you can go home.

    We don't.

    We don't.

    We do have a culture. The idea that we don't is perpetuated by second gens and left wing traitors in order to cover up their immoral and anti white acts. It's an excuse they use to destroy our heritage.

    Because immigrants who don't integrate (mainly muslims) are destroying everything it means to be British!

    Nationalism/patriotism is the love of one's country and culture and the desire to protect it. Nothing wrong with that at all.

    Racism is the hatred of a race based only on irrationality.

    Nationalism/patriotism != racism.

    Personally I think it's too late for Britain. Leftist traitors handed it over to the immigrants on a silver platter back in the early 2000's. I grew up in the countryside, surrounded by British culture. When London expanded and encompassed my area I was smacked in the face by an unrecognisable perversion of British values. I've never felt so betrayed. It was like the government was deliberately killing our heritage.

    My ancestors are probably rolling in their graves right now. They've had their country, a country which they gave their lives for, eaten away from the inside by leftist scum. The damage is unrepairable. I have no loyalty to this rock any more. I'm actually hoping to move to Russia. I don't agree with a few of Putin's laws, but the man restored my faith in humanity by protecting the interests of the Russian people despite the continued slander he receives from leftist dogs for doing so. IMO that kind of honour and loyalty to his people is what every leader should aspire to have. Russia is worthy of my loyalty, Britain (sadly) is not.

    When Britain falls to the onslaught of socialist pigs I'll be safe in Russia, smug at the fact that I told you so.

    Do vstrechi levykh sobak, privet Rossii! :russia:
    tl;dr, apart from the end bit.

    And do leave Britain now if you want, you're obliged to go back to that third world fascist pig sty.
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    (Original post by Youngmetro)
    Is this how you defend their actions? "everyone else did it, so why cant the brits do it too"

    good for you, be proud
    No. I'm merely pointing out that other countries and ethnic groups have done what the British did in the past and nobody criticizes their patriotism. Nowhere did I say that slavery is morally right. Why is Britain not allowed to be patriotic but Saudi Arabians are? Someone mentioned the Chinese earlier on this thread but you know they've been basically taking over Tibet by force, right?

    I intend to be, we have some of the best educational institutions in the world and our values and respect for human rights is awesome. Our culture is about respecting others, unlike some other cultures in the world I can think of
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    (Original post by Itsyaboy)
    There's no point in being patriotic.

    Why would one want to be proud of being British or whatever your demonym is, because you did not choose to be born there, you did not take some big test that you should boast about on the rooftops.

    Every time I see someone identity as a patriot, I cringe. Not only has patriotism not just become being proud of one's country (which is stupid as explained above)
    it's become a code word for the phrase "I'm a closet racist". Note that I immediately stop taking any person who says that seriously.


    What are your thoughts
    I believe that being proud of your country is different to being racist, just because you are proud of your country does not automatically mean that you dislike all others or dislike people from other countries.

    (Not saying that I am or am not proud of my country, merely stating my opinion)
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    No. I'm merely pointing out that other countries and ethnic groups have done what the British did in the past and nobody criticizes their patriotism. Nowhere did I say that slavery is morally right. Why is Britain not allowed to be patriotic but Saudi Arabians are? Someone mentioned the Chinese earlier on this thread but you know they've been basically taking over Tibet by force, right?

    I intend to be, we have some of the best educational institutions in the world and our values and respect for human rights is awesome. Our culture is about respecting others, unlike some other cultures in the world I can think of
    No one has said that the british cannot be patriotic, just that the entire of it is based on irrationality, the idea that you are born into this country so you are patriotic, the same argument can be used with religions too.
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    (Original post by Youngmetro)
    No one has said that the british cannot be patriotic, just that the entire of it is based on irrationality, the idea that you are born into this country so you are patriotic, the same argument can be used with religions too.
    Well, seeing as you can't choose what country you're from or born or into you might aswell embrace it and be proud of all the good it does. After all, if Britain was so bad, why do thousands of immigrants try to get in here? We must be doing something right.

    I agree that the violently nationalistic often don't have anything else going on in their lives, but being proud of the NHS? Oxbridge? The millions in humanitarian aid we spend on other countries? What's the harm in that?
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Well, seeing as you can't choose what country you're from or born or into you might aswell embrace it and be proud of all the good it does. After all, if Britain was so bad, why do thousands of immigrants try to get in here? We must be doing something right.

    I agree that the violently nationalistic often don't have anything else going on in their lives, but being proud of the NHS? Oxbridge? The millions in humanitarian aid we spend on other countries? What's the harm in that?
    As I said its based on irrationality but when nationalists nowadays use their pride to undermine other cultures (as shown on this thread) and think they're superior, it ironically demeans their own agenda.
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    (Original post by Youngmetro)
    tl;dr, apart from the end bit.

    And do leave Britain now if you want, you're obliged to go back to that third world fascist pig sty.
    Go back? Lol, I thought even you would've figured out that I'm British. Guess I just fell victim to the 4th law of human stupidity.

    Oh and by the way, fascism arises from socialism (the far left) not the far right nationalism and also, Russia is 2nd world not 3rd world.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    Go back? Lol, I thought even you would've figured out that I'm British. Guess I just fell victim to the 4th law of human stupidity.

    Oh and by the way, fascism arises from socialism (the far left) not the far right nationalism and also, Russia is 2nd world not 3rd world.
    Obviously your nationality is Russian.

    Yes, your precious USSR collapsed and now Putin the Paedophile runs a fascist country. 20 million died under Stalin and the country is one of the most intolerant in the world. Im sure you would fit in fine in such a backward country
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    Much of the left likes to make arbitrary statements that run contrary to the nature of humans as a social animal, and brand this 'rational'.

    It is perfectly natural, appropriate, and indeed socially useful for people to feel a sense of identity with the culture that surrounds them, and to take pride in their identity.
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    (Original post by Youngmetro)
    As I said its based on irrationality but when nationalists nowadays use their pride to undermine other cultures (as shown on this thread) and think they're superior, it ironically demeans their own agenda.
    Harmless irrationality nonetheless provided you aren't a raging neo-Nazi

    The ability to express and hold such opinions is a consequence of free speech, which is, again, another virtue of living in the west
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Harmless irrationality nonetheless provided you aren't a raging neo-Nazi

    The ability to express and hold such opinions is a consequence of free speech, which is, again, another virtue of living in the west
    Well, the problem is you cannot justify irrationality with a rational argument, its fallacious. You would have to acknowledge that it is indeed irrational. which i have no problem with whatsoever, even if i do disagree with it.

    The problem i have is the idea that they use this irrational feeling to believe they are superior.
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    (Original post by Youngmetro)
    Well, the problem is you cannot justify irrationality with a rational argument, its fallacious. You would have to acknowledge that it is indeed irrational. which i have no problem with whatsoever, even if i do disagree with it.

    The problem i have is the idea that they use this irrational feeling to believe they are superior.
    So do you believe that all cultures are equally valid and are of equal benefit to the world regardless of the values they hold and the morals they have?
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    Most people have misunderstood what the term means.

    Patriotism simply means a love of ones homeland, what kind of scum doesn't care about the place they live in? I have an attachment to its land, people and prosperity.

    Nationalism means to pursue a state in the interests of one's nation, usually as a distinct ethnic group with shared history.

    Xenophobia is the conviction that one's homeland is superior to another and that they should be attacked for it.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    So do you believe that all cultures are equally valid and are of equal benefit to the world regardless of the values they hold and the morals they have?
    Cultural relativism is the principle that an individual person's beliefs and activities should be understood by others in terms of that individual's own culture.
    so yes, all cultures are equal. It isnt about validity, since only those part of the culture would practise it. How beneficial a culture is is totally subjective, one can argue the west was of huge value, others would argue colonialism was a big step back in the development of poorer nations and is ultimately regressive. Same can be said for other cultures too. No one can ultimately say one is better, that can be your own opinion but it isnt valid since all cultures are equal.
 
 
 
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