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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    The UK is the biggest export market for goods for the rest of the EU; it's greatly in their interest for the EU to continue to trade with us if we were to leave.
    For goods yes, but not so for services which are far more important to our economy.

    How does its undemocratic nature decrease its mandate and power?
    Say, for example, Juncker had been directly elected by the European people rather than appointed by the European Council, then he would have a greater mandate and more powers.

    If we remain, you subject all the leave voters to an undemocratic body, and subject leave voters to only a slight capability for political influence. You take away the democratic power the leave voters have.

    You can't have an undemocratic system whilst we do not; we either both have it or we both don't.

    Hard to explain, but in essence although it might be democratic for you to choose a system you have no influence over, by voting this you're taking my influence over politics away, and that goes the same for all the other leave voters/would-be leave voters.

    The country might have overall chose to stay in, but you've just robbed like 45% of the population of their influence over the laws for their own lives.
    That's how democracy works though. In the Scottish referendum the 45% yes voters were denied a say.
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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    That's how democracy works though. In the Scottish referendum the 45% yes voters were denied a say.
    How does its undemocratic nature decrease its mandate and power?
    Say, for example, Juncker had been directly elected by the European people rather than appointed by the European Council, then he would have a greater mandate and more powers.

    But that'd be better though, because it'd be more democratic, but I don't believe in pooling sovereignty to that extent.
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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    That's how democracy works though. In the Scottish referendum the 45% yes voters were denied a say.
    You talk about services as if they're part of the single market..

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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    How does its undemocratic nature decrease its mandate and power?
    Say, for example, Juncker had been directly elected by the European people rather than appointed by the European Council, then he would have a greater mandate and more powers.

    But that'd be better though, because it'd be more democratic, but I don't believe in pooling sovereignty to that extent.
    It's only better if you're in a favour of what would essentially be an EU superstate, which most people are not?

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    You talk about services as if they're part of the single market..Posted from TSR Mobile
    Free movement of services is one of the four freedoms guaranteed by the single market is it not?Article 56 is particularly important in this regard
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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    How does its undemocratic nature decrease its mandate and power?
    Say, for example, Juncker had been directly elected by the European people rather than appointed by the European Council, then he would have a greater mandate and more powers.

    But that'd be better though, because it'd be more democratic, but I don't believe in pooling sovereignty to that extent.
    Junker was the presidential candidate of the largest EU party, he was nominated by the council and elected by the Parliment. In that sense he's as directly elected as good old Dave.
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    Junker was the presidential candidate of the largest EU party, he was nominated by the council and elected by the Parliment. In that sense he's as directly elected as good old Dave.
    Who elected the Council?

    Parliament just gives them a yes stamp - it doesn't select a commissioner and it can only vote down the commission as a whole group. It's useless.
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    (Original post by EuanF)
    Who elected the Council?

    Parliament just gives them a yes stamp - it doesn't select a commissioner and it can only vote down the commission as a whole group. It's useless.
    Ummmm you did... The council is made up of government ministers from every country :/

    I never said they selected the peorson, but a majority can block the president and the majority of the Parliment can disband the commission.
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    (Original post by EuanF)
    Who elected the Council?
    Well, you did.

    The Council is the 28 relevant ministers from the national governments of each EU member state. So if they are discussing education, we send Nicky Morgan. If they are discussing terrorism, we send Theresa May. If agreement isn't reached or they are discussing high policy, we send David Cameron.
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    (Original post by candyaljamila)
    Anyone can study for free in Germany (and France). It has nothing to do with being in the EU. American students and students from other continents all study in Germany for free.
    This is not true. Only German citizens and EU citizens can do this. There are international student fees listed on German universities' websites.
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    Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32821678

    (Original post by ib_hopeful)
    This is not true. Only German citizens and EU citizens can do this. There are international student fees listed on German universities' websites.
 
 
 
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