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    UK creates Pakistan.

    Later complains about number of Muslims (many from Pakistan) in UK.

    Irony.
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    (Original post by Fantastic Fan)
    The most obvious ones are the multiple things allah supposedly used to create the man.

    One verse will say he used clay, one place will say he used water, another will say dust, another will say from Earth another will say from seeds.


    There are many many many other contradictions
    Cbb to argue but the Earth/Clay thing is not a contradiction; do you have better ones?
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    Aren't you a special little snowflake.
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    (Original post by BlindingLight)
    Aren't you a special little snowflake.
    Haha yep I'm a special snowflake for wanting to live in a free society.
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Cbb to argue but the Earth/Clay thing is not a contradiction; do you have better ones?
    You're right, saying we're made from clay isn't a contradiction, it's an outright scientific error.
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Cbb to argue but the Earth/Clay thing is not a contradiction; do you have better ones?
    How can you have better contradictions, LOL.


    Having just one already disproves any idea of the book being divine.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    You're right, saying we're made from clay isn't a contradiction, it's an outright scientific error.
    One could claim that any miracle is a scientific error; but then it'd cease to be a miracle, wouldn't it?

    Regarding evolution and human origins, there are already theories proposed by Muslim thinkers which allow for macro and micro evolution as well as the creation of man without compromising on a literal interpretation of the story of Adam. As a Muslim, that is sufficient to reject any claim of error or contradiction.
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    (Original post by Fantastic Fan)
    How can you have better contradictions, LOL.

    Having just one already disproves any idea of the book being divine.
    By a 'better' contradiction, I mean one which is clear and explicit rather than vague and misinformed.

    You haven't provided an actual contradiction, so I would ask you to again pull another contradiction from your obviously massive pool of contradictions so that I can understand the minds of non-Muslims better
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    One could claim that any miracle is a scientific error; but then it'd cease to be a miracle, wouldn't it?

    Regarding evolution and human origins, there are already theories proposed by Muslim thinkers which allow for macro and micro evolution as well as the creation of man without compromising on a literal interpretation of the story of Adam. As a Muslim, that is sufficient to reject any claim of error or contradiction.
    Except no proper evidence has ever been put forward for a religious miracle.
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    By a 'better' contradiction, I mean one which is clear and explicit rather than vague and misinformed.

    You haven't provided an actual contradiction, so I would ask you to again pull another contradiction from your obviously massive pool of contradictions so that I can understand the minds of non-Muslims better
    Contradictions

    Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six DaysQuran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

    Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYSObvious Flaws

    Assuming the sun has a resting place.



    Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf.

    Reasons why allah created stars

    Quran 67: 5

    And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans…

    Quran 37: 6-8 We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.Bones created from flesh

    Quran 23:14

    Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones then (not and) clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!




    Earth not rotating

    Qur'an 27:61
    (Is not He Who has made the earth as a fixed abode,) meaning, stable and stationary, so that it does not move or convulse, because if it were to do so, it would not be a good place for people to live on. But by His grace and mercy, He has made it smooth and calm, and it is not shaken or move


    Mind you these are just the really obvious ones and there's still hundreds more
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Except no proper evidence has ever been put forward for a religious miracle.

    They claim the book itself is the miracle, because muhammed couldn't do any
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    (Original post by Fantastic Fan)
    How can you have better contradictions, LOL.


    Having just one already disproves any idea of the book being divine.
    But the Earth being 6000 years old is a fine belief and does not contradict science at all. :rolleyes:

    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    You're right, saying we're made from clay isn't a contradiction, it's an outright scientific error.
    You know... If I were to take possession of your body, drain out all the liquid (dry it too) and then grind it as much as I could, I would produce dust. Amazing...
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    (Original post by Fantastic Fan)
    They claim the book itself is the miracle, because muhammed couldn't do any
    They can claim what they like, anyone who doesn't have a vested interest in Islam needing to be true can see that the Quran is full of flaws and was clearly written by men.
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    (Original post by Fantastic Fan)
    Earth not rotating

    Qur'an 27:61
    (Is not He Who has made the earth as a fixed abode,) meaning, stable and stationary, so that it does not move or convulse, because if it were to do so, it would not be a good place for people to live on. But by His grace and mercy, He has made it smooth and calm, and it is not shaken or move


    Mind you these are just the really obvious ones and there's still hundreds more
    How do you derive "rotating" from that when the tafsir clearly is talking about shaking/convulsing as you quoted? There are ayahs that mention the orbit of the Earth btw (21:33) so you can't pick and choose what it exactly means by stationary.
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    How do you derive "rotating" from that when the tafsir clearly is talking about shaking/convulsing as you quoted? There are ayahs that mention the orbit of the Earth btw (21:33) so you can't pick and choose what it exactly means by stationary.
    If there are other ayah's that claim the earth rotates, isn't that another contradiction to add to the already saturated lists of contradictions?
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    They can claim what they like, anyone who doesn't have a vested interest in Islam needing to be true can see that the Quran is full of flaws and was clearly written by men.
    Agreed and well written
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    But the Earth being 6000 years old is a fine belief and does not contradict science at all. :rolleyes:



    Sounds like another person who hasn't bothered to research creation facts.
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    (Original post by Fantastic Fan)
    If there are other ayah's that claim the earth rotates, isn't that another contradiction to add to the already saturated lists of contradictions?
    Lol no. Read what I said. Stationary doesn't mean what you think it means.
    (Original post by Fantastic Fan)
    Sounds like another person who hasn't bothered to research creation facts.
    Sorry... just seems bizzare with the facts that counter the idea.
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    (Original post by champ_mc99)
    Stationary doesn't mean what you think it means.


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    (Original post by Fantastic Fan)
    Contradictions

    Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six DaysQuran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

    Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYSObvious Flaws

    Assuming the sun has a resting place.



    Quran 36: 38

    Reasons why allah created stars

    Quran 67: 5

    And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans…

    Quran 37: 6-8 We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.Bones created from flesh

    Quran 23:14

    Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones then (not and) clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!




    Earth not rotating

    Qur'an 27:61
    (Is not He Who has made the earth as a fixed abode,) meaning, stable and stationary, so that it does not move or convulse, because if it were to do so, it would not be a good place for people to live on. But by His grace and mercy, He has made it smooth and calm, and it is not shaken or move


    Mind you these are just the really obvious ones and there's still hundreds more
    Creating the Heavens AND Earth in 6 days =/= creating the Earth in 2 days =/= creating the earth and filling it in 4 days.

    The 'resting place' is in relation to Allah's arsh, not the Earth, so nothing wrong here.

    Your other point about stars is not a contradiction... the rest are not contradictions either; at best you can claim them to be scientific errors but nothing of what you posted contradicts internally.

    Again, give me real internal contradictions please.
 
 
 
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