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    (Original post by Josb)
    For goods only, but the British government can persuade Australia to sign a deal by saying that British tourists and pensioners will look for the Sun in Australia instead of Europe.
    Australia is one of the countries where UK pensioners don't get annual increases in their state pensions so that is off putting for pensioners.Saying that, when Britain does leave the EU, UK pensioners would also lose annual increases in their pensions if they live in EU countries unless a new agreement is made.

    I don't think Australia will replace Europe for summer hols since its much more expensive and take a lot longer to get there.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    For goods only, but the British government can persuade Australia to sign a deal by saying that British tourists and pensioners will look for the Sun in Australia instead of Europe.
    Yeah! Rather than a couple of hours on a plane to get to the med, I'd much rather spend a day flying (with a stop over for added fun)!

    Sod the long weekend in Barcelona. Sydney it is (via Singapore). Quick taxi ride from the Airport to the Opera house. Couple of pictures then straight back to begin the voyage home.*
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Yeah! Rather than a couple of hours on a plane to get to the med, I'd much rather spend a day flying (with a stop over for added fun)!

    Sod the long weekend in Barcelona. Sydney it is (via Singapore). Quick taxi ride from the Airport to the Opera house. Couple of pictures then straight back to begin the voyage home.*
    Obviously, Australia would only be a replacement for long vacations.

    (Original post by Maker)
    Australia is one of the countries where UK pensioners don't get annual increases in their state pensions so that is off putting for pensioners.
    Precisely, this is something that can be included in the negotiation with Australia.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    So there is not much incentive for the Australians to have a free trade deal with Britain unless they can sell more stuff to Britain.
    Ummm, free trade benefits all parties, except perhaps if there is an enormous imbalance...

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Ummm, free trade benefits all parties, except perhaps if there is an enormous imbalance...

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    Not really, Australia exports a lot of beef, if Britain allowed a lot of beef imports into the country, that would put pressure on British beef producers and reduce their market share.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    Not really, Australia exports a lot of beef, if Britain allowed a lot of beef imports into the country, that would put pressure on British beef producers and reduce their market share.
    However it would still reduce the cost of beef for the consumer creating jobs in retail.

    Free trade (or trade in general even, we don't have free trade with China and yet their steel imports are cheaper) can damage domestic industries and cause job losses however on net nationally the disinflationary effects of abolishing tarrifs almost always provide a net economic benefit in terms of job creation and the like.

    The question with trade in general is whether your prepared to sacrifice Port Talbot for the extra construction jobs that cheaper steel may generate.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    However it would still reduce the cost of beef for the consumer creating jobs in retail.

    Free trade (or trade in general even, we don't have free trade with China and yet their steel imports are cheaper) can damage domestic industries and cause job losses however on net nationally the disinflationary effects of abolishing tarrifs almost always provide a net economic benefit in terms of job creation and the like.

    The question with trade in general is whether your prepared to sacrifice Port Talbot for the extra construction jobs that cheaper steel may generate.
    People seldom vote for the public good, they vote for what benefits themselves as we have already seen in the Brexit vote.

    Farmers will see cheap imports from Australia or any other country as a threat to their livelihood and lobby their MP to stop them. They don't care that others will benefit from cheaper food.

    Politicians will be more influenced by existing workers who have a voice than workers that might exist in the future who obviously don't. Thats why a lot of governments are far more likely to support existing industries like steel making rather than IT even though the IT industry is a lot more likely to make more money for the country than steel.
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    I would not want to do a deal with India to be fair, what ever happened to self sufficiency
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    (Original post by Maker)
    Politicians will be more influenced by existing workers who have a voice than workers that might exist in the future who obviously don't. Thats why a lot of governments are far more likely to support existing industries like steel making rather than IT even though the IT industry is a lot more likely to make more money for the country than steel.
    The EU's green tax made it more expensive for us to export our steel, Thatcher's government did not do a lot to help in the mid 80's and early 90's no end of our greedy factory owners moved to India to make more money due to less overheads, also cheaper labour, Thatchers achievement after killing unions was making it that we relied on imports. To address your point about supporting the steel works instead of IT is a bit flawed considering the British steel workers do not have the skill sets to work elsewhere and have to compete with china who's answer to everything is printing more money and exporting more . After we have invoked article 50 we could probably over the cause of the year save the steel workers, invest in the IT industry and increase the budget for the NHS
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    What does the EU being a larger marker than us matter for anyway, it won't last ten years.
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    a) Trade deals with Australia will destroy our sheep farms.
    b) Trade deals with China will destroy our everything.

    None of these trade deals involve free movement of people which is the big thing REMAIN voters want.

    There is no reasonable answer that does not end up with us being in the EU.
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    a) Trade deals with Australia will destroy our sheep farms.
    b) Trade deals with China will destroy our everything.

    None of these trade deals involve free movement of people which is the big thing REMAIN voters want.

    There is no reasonable answer that does not end up with us being in the EU.
    Trade deals with Australia and China will destroy us? How can you say that? Please back it up with proof otherwise stop speaking nonsense.

    Brexiters do not want free movement. We have already had free movement for many years and it hasn't worked.

    Ordinary family's standard of living has decreased by 10% in the last 5 years.
    We now have the freedom to trade with other countries like Australia, USA, China, India, etc, and that is good. This will help us to take care of the people living in UK who are currently struggling, and to be able to create new business investments, job investments and factory investments for them, etc.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    Trade deals with Australia and China will destroy us? How can you say that? Please back it up with proof otherwise stop speaking nonsense.

    Brexiters do not want free movement. We have already had free movement for many years and it hasn't worked.

    Ordinary family's standard of living has decreased by 10% in the last 5 years.
    We now have the freedom to trade with other countries like Australia, USA, China, India, etc, and that is good. This will help us to take care of the people living in UK who are currently struggling, and to be able to create new business investments, job investments and factory investments for them, etc.
    a) The poorest parts of the UK are places with the least number of migrants. So there is a link to wealth creation and migration.
    b) Australia is huge in lamb - it would blow our sheep farmers out of the water (I have been speaking to some )
    c) China - could dump anything here - there is no way we could negotiate anything sensible with china that will keep the UK making stuff.
    d) Its not trade deals we need , its free movement. Money is made, as pointed out by NORMAN TEBBIT when you get on your bike and look for work
    e) Brexit people come from poor run down towns, its hardly a model for the rest of the country to emulate. Yeah sure, if brexit places were doing brill I'm sure we would all be saying "ok give it a shot" - but they are not - brexit places are dirt poor. Do we as a nation really want to follow these places?
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    Trade deals with Australia and China will destroy us? How can you say that? Please back it up with proof otherwise stop speaking nonsense.

    Brexiters do not want free movement. We have already had free movement for many years and it hasn't worked.

    Ordinary family's standard of living has decreased by 10% in the last 5 years.
    We now have the freedom to trade with other countries like Australia, USA, China, India, etc, and that is good. This will help us to take care of the people living in UK who are currently struggling, and to be able to create new business investments, job investments and factory investments for them, etc.
    Free trade with China would be the worst thing imaginable for factory investments in the UK, the flood of cheap Chinese goods as a result would finish off what's left of our manufacturing sector.
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    a) The poorest parts of the UK are places with the least number of migrants. So there is a link to wealth creation and migration.
    b) Australia is huge in lamb - it would blow our sheep farmers out of the water (I have been speaking to some )
    c) China - could dump anything here - there is no way we could negotiate anything sensible with china that will keep the UK making stuff.
    d) Its not trade deals we need , its free movement. Money is made, as pointed out by NORMAN TEBBIT when you get on your bike and look for work
    e) Brexit people come from poor run down towns, its hardly a model for the rest of the country to emulate. Yeah sure, if brexit places were doing brill I'm sure we would all be saying "ok give it a shot" - but they are not - brexit places are dirt poor. Do we as a nation really want to follow these places?
    And the question is, why are they poor run down towns? Its because of our membership of the EU, the increasing job competition, low investment and low job opportunities because of not enough trade deals.

    Let me add another issue. Southern European countries are financially struggling badly. Greece has 50% youth unemployment. The EU leaders are not helping them to improve because they do not allow Greece, or other countries to expand their economy by being able to have the freedom of having free trade deals with the rest of the world. Very undemocratic.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    And the question is, why are they poor run down towns? Its because of our membership of the EU, the increasing job competition, low investment and low job opportunities because of not enough trade deals.

    Let me add another issue. Southern European countries are financially struggling badly. Greece has 50% youth unemployment. The EU leaders are not helping them to improve because they do not allow Greece, or other countries to expand their economy by being able to have the freedom of having free trade deals with the rest of the world. Very undemocratic.
    Are you seriously suggesting that Hartlepool is poor because Polish people come to live in London? That is crazy - sorry but it is.

    Free Trade does not make you rich on its own, its free movement.... Look at the old story of **** Whittington. I myself have got relatively well off because from time to time I am prepared to work in the EU .

    Hartlepool needs to trade with Holland or Belgium, or the Nordic lands or Germany if it wants to get rich. Just look at the map!!!
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    And the question is, why are they poor run down towns? Its because of our membership of the EU, the increasing job competition, low investment and low job opportunities because of not enough trade deals.
    This is nonsense.

    It's due to decades of London centric governments(Labour and Tory) not investing enough outside of the South East after de-industrialisation.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    Free trade with China would be the worst thing imaginable for factory investments in the UK, the flood of cheap Chinese goods as a result would finish of what's left of our manufacturing sector.
    We dont have to have free trade deals with China if it will not bring benefit. We will only do trade deals that will bring us benefit. That is the freedom. And Im pretty sure it will not bring disadvantages as much as you think.

    James, stop arguing for remain because of your own personal advancement. Think about other people's lives too. Every single person living in UK matters. Every single one deserves a chance at ease.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    We dont have to have free trade deals with China if it will not bring benefit. We will only do trade deals that will bring us benefit. That is the freedom. And Im pretty sure it will not bring disadvantages as much as you think.

    James, stop arguing for remain because of your own personal advancement. Think about other people's lives too. Every single person living in UK matters. Every single one deserves a chance at ease.
    I know everyone in the UK matters. Call me cynical but I find it very hard to believe that our London focused govt will match the regional funding from the EU when we leave. Blaming the EU for lack of regional investment from our own govt won't solve anything, the EU are committed to economic rebalancing aided via the regional development funding.

    China are only interested in things that benefit themselves(and rightly so). Free trade with them means UK manufacturing jobs sacrificed for cheap consumer goods.
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    (Original post by Naveed-7)
    We dont have to have free trade deals with China if it will not bring benefit. We will only do trade deals that will bring us benefit. That is the freedom. And Im pretty sure it will not bring disadvantages as much as you think.

    James, stop arguing for remain because of your own personal advancement. Think about other people's lives too. Every single person living in UK matters. Every single one deserves a chance at ease.
    It does not matter how much you say you care

    With the best will in the world BREXIT will not make the old young, or run down towns become successful.

    The two are separate things.

    Hartlepool was a steel town (as an example). Sheffield still is. To understand why Sheffield makes money in steel and Hartlepool does not , you will not come to the conclusion its because there are too many poles or too much red tape. The entire brexit argument is rubbish/
 
 
 
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