Government responds to second EU referendum petition

By the terms of that Leaver's petition, "Too low" was below 75% - actual turnout was 71.6%
And his Majority target was 60% - actual majority was 52%.

So why was it reasonable for a Leaver to ask for those stipulations if Leave "lost", but not now in the event of a Leave "win".

And, by the way, some previous referendums, including the Scottish Devo 1979 referendum, required a 40% majority of the total electorate. That referendum was overturned because despite a string majority it wasn't more than 40% of the electorate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_devolution_referendum,_1979

Bottomline, there should have been similar requirements for this referendum. Especially given the potential significant constitional impact of this advisory (not legally binding) referendum.

However as there weren't all people can is debate the issue. And democracy allows that debate to occur. And also to potentially push for a 2nd Referendum (or General Election) to approve any final "Leaving" deal once A50 is completed.

And you're missing a problem with imposing minimum turnout requirements - all the remain side would have to do is abstain from voting in decent numbers and the result would not stand as the turnout would be too low. It gives one side a big incentive to just not vote and they'd get their way like that, which would hardly be a fair system.

Why weren't people pushing for this sort of stuff before the referendum? That petition was basically ignored until the result came in, at which point sore losers descended on it.

If people actually cared about turnout, they would have pushed for this sort of thing (in decent numbers, which this petition did not get until after the vote) when the referendum was being organised, not after the result. The fact that this did not happen suggests the majority of them are just butthurt at losing and are using turnout as an excuse to hide behind. That's the impression I'm getting from this whole affair.

And you're missing a problem with imposing minimum turnout requirements - all the remain side would have to do is abstain from voting in decent numbers and the result would not stand as the turnout would be too low. It gives one side a big incentive to just not vote and they'd get their way like that, which would hardly be a fair system.

So on the EU, as I've said many times, a Referendum or GE should be held before A50 times out with whatever deal is ultimately negotiated.

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Why though? You seem to be suggesting that just before we actually leave we should have a referendum on whether we should still leave, or beg to stay and be told to **** off.

We don't have to beg to stay. We just stop leaving. We are the country considering leaving, we aren't being thrown out.

We can stop A50 at any time up until the 2 year time limit. If we do so we Remain.

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Umm, no we can't

"
The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period. "

Read my edit.

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Source?

Instead of blaming a 17 million majority voted Leave, why not blame Cameron for taking the risk in the first place? Corbyn's complacency? Remain's project fear?

Sure there might be a debate, but that'll be it, the MPs will spend 20 mins on it tops.

I think you've been reading the wrong newspapers.
Its not 17 million majority leave lol...

About 45 million eligible voters and 36% of them (17m) voted leave. The "majority" was about 1m of voters and, if count non voters it was a minority of about 10 m. So either majority of 1m or minority of 10m. Take your pick, but either way it was not a majority of 17m. At least not on this planet.

We don't have to beg to stay. We just stop leaving. We are the country considering leaving, we aren't being thrown out.

We can stop A50 at any time up until the 2 year time limit. If we do so we Remain.

According to a report to the House of Lords. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201516/ldselect/ldeucom/138/138.pdf

"A*House of Lords report*on the process of withdrawing from the European Union published in May 2016 provides the most authoritative analysis. David Edward, a former judge, stated: “It is absolutely clear that you cannot be forced to go through with it if you do not want to: for example, if there is a change of government.” "

And it's actually a key part of any Brexit negotiations.

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