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    (Original post by oShahpo)
    While "racist" is not perfectly suitable for my use here, it's the best available word. Bigoted refers to views held, which is not my point, and xenophobic refers to fear of outsiders, which is also not what I am after.
    I am using racist to mean valuing the lives of people from a certain country more than those from other places, had I known a different, more suitable word I would have used it.
    Then type a whole sentence. Words have meanings, use them correctly.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...uthern-germanyYet more blood on the hands of the left.A man wielding a machete has killed a woman and wounded two other people in the southern German city of Reutlingen before being arrested, the Bild newspaper has reported.German police said that the man was a Syrian asylum-seeker who had been involved in previous incidents.
    The victim whom died was pregnant as well.
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    What I see from all these attacks, is that the Left and the Right, in a lot of European countries, [not to mention the States], are constantly in a war of words with each other. While personally I would call myself Right Wing, I can't help but find it incredibly sad that people cannot be civilised with each other on the internet or wherever, simply for having a different political opinion. The Left are not the enemy of me. Radical Islam is.The Left and the Right [ i.e. ordinary people] should be united in condemning a common enemy. Ever heard of divide and conquer?
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    (Original post by markova21)
    What I see from all these attacks, is that the Left and the Right, in a lot of European countries, [not to mention the States], are constantly in a war of words with each other. While personally I would call myself Right Wing, I can't help but find it incredibly sad that people cannot be civilised with each other on the internet or wherever, simply for having a different political opinion. The Left are not the enemy of me. Radical Islam is.The Left and the Right [ i.e. ordinary people] should be united in condemning a common enemy. Ever heard of divide and conquer?
    The left enable and abet "radical Islam"."

    Ever heard of divide and conquer?"


    Yes, it is what the left have done, literally divided the nation by religion.
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    (Original post by markova21)
    What I see from all these attacks, is that the Left and the Right, in a lot of European countries, [not to mention the States], are constantly in a war of words with each other. While personally I would call myself Right Wing, I can't help but find it incredibly sad that people cannot be civilised with each other on the internet or wherever, simply for having a different political opinion. The Left are not the enemy of me. Radical Islam is.The Left and the Right [ i.e. ordinary people] should be united in condemning a common enemy. Ever heard of divide and conquer?
    The left these days has moved about billion miles to the left and have orbited the Earth 64 times and landed at far right. They are deranged, mouthbreathing over sensitive fascists with brains for jelly. The rabid left enables issues like the incident in OP to happen through their myopic, idealist virtue signalling support to the same politicians and provides security and protection to the intolerant ideologies and religions in our midst because they believe it makes them good people and their own subconscious racism makes them arrogantly believe Islam and non white people need their voice because they are weak

    Their brains have never formed because they have never had to use them because any non affirming response to debate or ideas they share are quickly stifled with smearing cries of racist / xenophobe / nazi. They never have to open their mind, or actually think. Just follow the feel good thoughts and gestures and shout racist at people who disagree.
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    As a Right Wing woman [in my twenties I could be regularly seen carrying a copies of Socialist Worker to sell, but my outlook and politics have changed beyond all recognition since then]. I'm now 48 and any idealised view of Socialism I had has long gone. I DO understand their viewpoint though, as I used to have the same one. It's kind and nice and progressive and a wonderful thing to help others less fortunate. Especially if they are suffering and from a war torn country. It's human nature to want to help. But IS said long ago they were going to use the Refugee crisis to smuggle in their people. Many people said European countries had to vet each and every migrant coming in to Europe to make sure they were safe to be allowed in. That attitude was met with cries of being racist. If people in Europe are going to continue to die eventually European people are going to start turning very very angry towards the very same people they were originally welcoming in. It's human nature. If they keep pushing and pushing Europe with these atrocities, i'm afraid it will only be a matter of time before people start to retaliate. On another thread on here someone was asking If guns were legal,would you own one? I said not yet. But if things continue and no-one feels safe anywhere anymore there may come a time where people feel they have no choice but to start arming themselves. And it's then that innocent Muslims will end up being targeted.
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    (Original post by markova21)
    As a Right Wing woman [in my twenties I could be regularly seen carrying a copies of Socialist Worker to sell, but my outlook and politics have changed beyond all recognition since then]. I'm now 48 and any idealised view of Socialism I had has long gone. I DO understand their viewpoint though, as I used to have the same one. It's kind and nice and progressive and a wonderful thing to help others less fortunate. Especially if they are suffering and from a war torn country. It's human nature to want to help. But IS said long ago they were going to use the Refugee crisis to smuggle in their people. Many people said European countries had to vet each and every migrant coming in to Europe to make sure they were safe to be allowed in. That attitude was met with cries of being racist. If people in Europe are going to continue to die eventually European people are going to start turning very very angry towards the very same people they were originally welcoming in. It's human nature. If they keep pushing and pushing Europe with these atrocities, i'm afraid it will only be a matter of time before people start to retaliate. On another thread on here someone was asking If guns were legal,would you own one? I said not yet. But if things continue and no-one feels safe anywhere anymore there may come a time where people feel they have no choice but to start arming themselves. And it's then that innocent Muslims will end up being targeted.
    Well said. I made my post above about "the left" as someone who isnt even right wing. I am pretty central. I have one classically right wing view which is support for the death penalty for particuarly heinous crimes with overwhelming evidence.

    Everybody including the right want to help people less fortunate, some think allowing 20 drowning people onto your over capacitated 8 man boat is the humane and correct approach. The right or more pragmatic minds can see the problem with that
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    RIP to that woman and her unborn child may they both rest in peace with one another forever.
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Germans are violent peoples
    I'm unsure if you're joking - if you are, apologies.
    If not, please understand that these attacks have been committed by muslim non-nationals. In at least two cases, by "refugees".

    My heart breaks for Germany and Europe.
    As OP said - the left has a lot of blood on their hands.
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    (Original post by celloel)
    I'm unsure if you're joking - if you are, apologies.
    If not, please understand that these attacks have been committed by muslim non-nationals. In at least two cases, by "refugees".

    My heart breaks for Germany and Europe.
    As OP said - the left has a lot of blood on their hands.

    He is joking buddy, the guy you quoted is not an idiot, he knows what is going on.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    It is the correct approach, even sinking some of them would have saved lives, as if a few boats had been sunk originally, far fewer boats would have tried to make the journey, and as a result very few people would have died. If this had occurred many lives would have been SAVED. It is quite ironic how leftists criticise me and others like me for being heartless etc., when it is me and people like me whose plans would actually stop people from dying and being killed in the first place, I actually want people to live.

    To sum up, the right would deliberately kill 10 people to save 100, the left would virtue signal, do nothing and then 110 would all die.
    Nick Griffin, is that you? No wait, at least Griffin had the decency to not outright condone murder at sea. Saving migrants only encourages them? For the sake of consistency, this logic should also be applied to anyone who ends up in hospital more than once. Will the police now be asked to stop trying to prevent people from committing suicide because it 'encourages people to try'? If your situation has become so bad that you're prepared to risk your family's life by boarding a rickety boat arranged by gangsters I doubt the absolutely tiny chance that you may be spotted by the navy will factor in to whether you want to try.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...uthern-germanyYet more blood on the hands of the left.A man wielding a machete has killed a woman and wounded two other people in the southern German city of Reutlingen before being arrested, the Bild newspaper has reported.German police said that the man was a Syrian asylum-seeker who had been involved in previous incidents.
    abhorrent act
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    (Original post by PrincessBO$$)
    OMG do we not deserve a break? This is terrible, the world has become a terrible place to live.
    Hang on, let me just call the Syrian Refugee Group, ask them for a break from killing us.
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    (Original post by blah3210)
    Nick Griffin, is that you? No wait, at least Griffin had the decency to not outright condone murder at sea. Saving migrants only encourages them? For the sake of consistency, this logic should also be applied to anyone who ends up in hospital more than once. Will the police now be asked to stop trying to prevent people from committing suicide because it 'encourages people to try'? If your situation has become so bad that you're prepared to risk your family's life by boarding a rickety boat arranged by gangsters I doubt the absolutely tiny chance that you may be spotted by the navy will factor in to whether you want to try.
    Wow, you prefer thousands of people to die at sea, what a disgusting person you appear to be.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    To sum up, the right would deliberately kill 10 people to save 100, the left would virtue signal, do nothing and then 110 would all die.
    I don't think most people on the right are that crazy.

    At that point, the outcome "100 people will die if we don't kill 10" is not certain. You don't know how many will chance it even if the boats are sank, you don't know their precise survival odds. You're framing this as some simplistic situation in which all the facts are known, which it simply isn't.

    In addition this kind of unnuanced Utilitarianist thinking makes a mockery of free will. Perhaps those people would simply rather run the risk of dying than stay in their home country. That is their prerogative. You are not responsible for them.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    Wow, you prefer thousands of people to die at sea, what a disgusting person you appear to be.
    Wrong. What is preferred is if no one died.

    But if it ultimately leads to us vs them, I'd rather they died, yes. Our elected government has a duty to look after its own people. Not others.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    It is the correct approach, even sinking some of them would have saved lives, as if a few boats had been sunk originally, far fewer boats would have tried to make the journey, and as a result very few people would have died. If this had occurred many lives would have been SAVED. It is quite ironic how leftists criticise me and others like me for being heartless etc., when it is me and people like me whose plans would actually stop people from dying and being killed in the first place, I actually want people to live.

    To sum up, the right would deliberately kill 10 people to save 100, the left would virtue signal, do nothing and then 110 would all die.
    You misunderstood. My boat analogy wasnt in regards to to the actual boats coming over.. it was seperate of the migrant crisis. After the titanic for example, 8 people of a lifeboat, the leftists response on that boat would be to row to the 20 drowning people around them and try and help them, ininevitably sinking their own boat. 20 would have died, leftists increased the number to 28 .

    I can see the confusion though ha
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    (Original post by blah3210)
    Nick Griffin, is that you? No wait, at least Griffin had the decency to not outright condone murder at sea. Saving migrants only encourages them? For the sake of consistency, this logic should also be applied to anyone who ends up in hospital more than once. Will the police now be asked to stop trying to prevent people from committing suicide because it 'encourages people to try'? If your situation has become so bad that you're prepared to risk your family's life by boarding a rickety boat arranged by gangsters I doubt the absolutely tiny chance that you may be spotted by the navy will factor in to whether you want to try.
    He is right, you are wrong. Your analogy only works if by hospital, you mean free house, free car, free money and immeasurably better life.

    If you turn back the boats and and deny those on them the spoils they had risked everything for were not going to materialise, there would be no incentive for millions more to follow

    Honestly its not hard, I cant fathom why so many cannot grasp this so let me give you a proper analogy.

    Imagine here in the UK, there is a train track. - Every 10 seconds two train flies past, persons who manage to cross this wide track and succesfully get to the other side earn themselves £2m pounds. The money only appears if the person starts the cross after the 10 second window starts and the approaching trains are bearing down on them.

    Many people would take it on, many people would fail and die.Many would be successful. Remove the £2m reward and people will no longer risk it and thus lives saved
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    You misunderstood. My boat analogy wasnt in regards to to the actual boats coming over.. it was seperate of the migrant crisis. After the titanic for example, 8 people of a lifeboat, the leftists response on that boat would be to row to the 20 drowning people around them and try and help them, ininevitably sinking their own boat. 20 would have died, leftists increased the number to 28 .

    I can see the confusion though ha
    Yes, I did misunderstand, I agree with your Titanic point and I would say that both analogies / examples are true.
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    He is right, you are wrong. Your analogy only works if by hospital, you mean free house, free car, free money and immeasurably better life.

    If you turn back the boats and and deny those on them the spoils they had risked everything for were not going to materialise, there would be no incentive for millions more to follow

    Honestly its not hard, I cant fathom why so many cannot grasp this so let me give you a proper analogy.

    Imagine here in the UK, there is a train track. - Every 10 seconds two train flies past, persons who manage to cross this wide track and succesfully get to the other side earn themselves £2m pounds. The money only appears if the person starts the cross after the 10 second window starts and the approaching trains are bearing down on them.

    Many people would take it on, many people would fail and die.Many would be successful. Remove the £2m reward and people will no longer risk it and thus lives saved
    I think that is a good analogy. As it is, the migrants on the boats probably realise that they have the Italian Coast Guard boats to bail them out (pun intended) so continue to be willing to risk 'it' in the hope of a better life.

    However, I'm not sure that The_Opinion's suggestion of sacrificing a few boat loads to deter them from casting off is necessarily a good idea.
 
 
 
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