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Yeah I did. It was the definition of stupid.
Your ignorance is astounding, your view on the topic is incredibly simplistic and your response shows that you didn't read my post at all. Please read the following with an open mind, and then research some of what I've said. You may learn something.

To reiterate - bacteria develops on meat once it's been stagnant and exposed to the open air (read - once the animal has been dead for a while). That's when salmonella can develop. Given that most of us buy from the supermarket or the standard butcher, a lot of the time the meat has to be cooked because it's been on the shelf for a day and had time to develop bacteria. However, buy it fresh, you can eat it raw. Again, it's common in some other countries to eat meat raw. One of my best friends is from an Italian family and they eat raw beef on a weekly basis. They visit a trusted butcher on his delivery day each week, the meat is fresh, they eat it raw. They're never ill. I've eaten it raw myself at their house one time and suffered no ill effect.

Eating raw meat is against social norms in this country, so people tend to find the behaviour shocking and in average circumstances, buying meat means you'll need to cook it. Yet, people eat their stakes "blue" or "rare" every day in the UK. It'd be considered undercooked by the standards of meats like chicken (which would indeed make you ill if undercooked), but again, it's beef, it carries less bacteria and if the meat is fresh, it won't make you ill. How do you take your stake, out of interest?
Yes, certain meats, i.e. chicken, should never be eaten raw due to their high bacterial content. However, with some meats, like certain types of fish and beef, you CAN eat it raw very safely. Most foods have expiries in which they are safe to eat, become a bit dodgy but you might get away with it, and then simply unsafe to eat - meat has a very short shelf life, that's all. Even so, beef has a longer shelf life than most other meats.
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(Original post by pilock)
Its isnt safe. Well not in the amount the average person consumes it. If you want to live an ignorant live with your head deep in the sand then go ahead, however, please dont feed people the lie that eating 10 steaks a day is healthy. You see dear theres intelligent people around that can quickly outsmart and humiliate you when you step into the big boys world and try to use ignorant untrue arguments to suit you agenda. Meat in little amounts does you no harm. Meat in the amounts it is consumed by most people leads to many more problems. I suggest you look up facts on this on the internet and dont dismiss every argument against meat as 'duh duh this is just a pure argument made by tree huggers it must be untrue meat is good duhhh duuhhhh duuhhhh'.

I honestly dont even know why I bother. You lack the capacity to think in an intelligent manner. Suppose I cant really blame you- its not your fault you dumb.
Attacking someone's intelligence is the surest sign that you're running out of ideas.

Once again, you haven't read my post properly so I will re-type it for the third time, in the vain hope that you'll read it: if you were starving, you'd prolly beg for one of those unhealthy stakes you were talking about. Why? Because as a species we evolved to eat whatever we could find. Berries? Sure. Nuts? Sure. Bananas? Sure. Deer? Sure.

Our bodies have numerous adaptations for persistence hunting, and if we were designed to be vegans we wouldn't have these adaptations. Look at your foot, for starters.

Once again: you can ear whatever you want and I will eat whatever I want. But trying to deny human nature is just ridiculous. We were built to eat anything so we have the luxury of choosing what to eat. Imagine being a panda, how boring.
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(Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
Except I didn't say that, I mentioned it as one example of adaptations herbivores have that humans do not. Also, given your last line I'm guessing you're not even going to bother responding in a mature discussion - since it sounds like you're suggesting I think we're carnivorous. We're not. We are opportunistic omnivores, our physiology makes this clear.
You said that, and I quote, "we lack a number of specific adaptations for that, the ability to digest cellulose for one" BUT WE NEED CELLULOSE ANYWAY. Would you like to give me some more physiological adaptations (or lack of) for me to refute then?

You're adamant on the idea that we're opportunistic omnivores, would you care to explain why? We get all the nutrients from plants, we need nothing from animal products to survive and yet we're opportunistic omnivores. Plant consumption yields more energy and it can be produced in greater quantities and in short time but yet we sometimes need to have some meat.

I'm responding more than maturely and at least I'm not basing my information off personal beliefs.



(Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
Care to provide the real research showing humans are herbivorous rather than omnivorous?
Here's a study on fossilized feces, but I can find some more studies if you're not able to use google for yourself for some reason, and if this doesn't float your boat.

"most of which were predominantly herbivorous (26, 46, 52, 57), as is the case today"

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10....-4684-2481-2_8


(Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
Gastric acid is a strong acid, usually around pH 2 or so, and it is capable of dealing with raw meat given it still activates peptidase enzymes, and still digests meat - and, as so many of this thread have pointed out, we can eat raw meat. Quite a few of those responding have done so as well, myself included.
Human pH ranges from 4 - 5
Carnivore pH is 1 - 2

Peptidase (also known as protease) is used to digest protein, isn't only found in animals, which is what you're suggesting... Yes we can eat raw meat, that doesn't mean we should, or that we can digest it to fully get all the nutrients out of it (as we are noooooooooot adapted to).

Anyway, somehow we've focused on evolution and ancient humans. Again, many diseases are caused by meat, dairy and egg consumption. Clearly this makes the consumption of said foods extremely natural and we should because we're opportunistic omnivores as you say, but what do me and my friend science and empirical evidence know.
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You **** off you ignorant fuel. This post stinks of ignorance. Please dont comment again as you are literally too stupid to talk to.

Honest to god- what a moron you really are.
I'm not ignorant at all. I hate animal cruelty however I will choose to eat meat because I want to.
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Your ignorance is astounding, your view on the topic is incredibly simplistic and your response shows that you didn't read my post at all. Please read the following with an open mind, and then research some of what I've said. You may learn something.

To reiterate - bacteria develops on meat once it's been stagnant and exposed to the open air (read - once the animal has been dead for a while). That's when salmonella can develop. Given that most of us buy from the supermarket or the standard butcher, a lot of the time the meat has to be cooked because it's been on the shelf for a day and had time to develop bacteria. However, buy it fresh, you can eat it raw. Again, it's common in some other countries to eat meat raw. One of my best friends is from an Italian family and they eat raw beef on a weekly basis. They visit a trusted butcher on his delivery day each week, the meat is fresh, they eat it raw. They're never ill. I've eaten it raw myself at their house one time and suffered no ill effect.

Eating raw meat is against social norms in this country, so people tend to find the behaviour shocking and in average circumstances, buying meat means you'll need to cook it. Yet, people eat their stakes "blue" or "rare" every day in the UK. It'd be considered undercooked by the standards of meats like chicken (which would indeed make you ill if undercooked), but again, it's beef, it carries less bacteria and if the meat is fresh, it won't make you ill. How do you take your stake, out of interest?
Yes, certain meats, i.e. chicken, should never be eaten raw due to their high bacterial content. However, with some meats, like certain types of fish and beef, you CAN eat it raw very safely. Most foods have expiries in which they are safe to eat, become a bit dodgy but you might get away with it, and then simply unsafe to eat - meat has a very short shelf life, that's all. Even so, beef has a longer shelf life than most other meats.
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As a geology undergrad at Cambridge University I feel uniquely qualified to address your point. Humans do need to eat meat. It's what allowed human brains to expand and thus allowed us to increase our intelligence.

http://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html

You may not understand the article (due to you not eating meat and all) so it may be worth asking a meat eater to explain it to you.

FTW.
PRSOM. Have you ever read born to run by chris mcdougall?
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Attacking someone's intelligence is the surest sign that you're running out of ideas.

Once again, you haven't read my post properly so I will re-type it for the third time, in the vain hope that you'll read it: if you were starving, you'd prolly beg for one of those unhealthy stakes you were talking about. Why? Because as a species we evolved to eat whatever we could find. Berries? Sure. Nuts? Sure. Bananas? Sure. Deer? Sure.

Our bodies have numerous adaptations for persistence hunting, and if we were designed to be vegans we wouldn't have these adaptations. Look at your foot, for starters.

Once again: you can ear whatever you want and I will eat whatever I want. But trying to deny human nature is just ridiculous. We were built to eat anything so we have the luxury of choosing what to eat. Imagine being a panda, how boring.
I am not attacking I was just stating the obvious. And again you cant handle the truth.
Creating hypothetical scenarios doesn't help you at all. I bet if you were stuck on a mountain with you and only a few other people and you were about to die from hunger, and one of the other people dies. you would eat their body to survive. What relevance do these scenarios have?

Humans were designed for hunting? seriously what a stupid argument- who designed us? Some skydaddy?

Yes you can eat whatever you want but dont come crying to us ehen you get all these diseases because of it you little child.

Imagine being stuck with you- how awful.
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PRSOM. Have you ever read born to run by chris mcdougall?
Chris mcdougall is a moron. No wonder you stupid if you read his ****.
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Please cut your **** off so you dont reproduce. Thank You.
As a geology student from Cambridge University, my expertise suggests that there may be better, less harmful methods to prevent reproduction such as condoms. If you ate meat you would've had an increased brain capacity (as stated in the link i posted previously) and thus understood that.
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........this literally does nothing to refute anything I've said. I'm clearly wasting my time here. I've given you both the science on a very basic level and practical examples and anecdotal evidence, you never seem to read the post... 6/10 troll tbf, you've elicited a good amount of genuine response, could have been higher but you look like a total fool in the process.
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PRSOM. Have you ever read born to run by chris mcdougall?
Nope. But i'll check it out using my increased brain capacity derived from eating meat.
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As a geology student from Cambridge University, my expertise suggests that there may be better, less harmful methods to prevent reproduction such as condoms. If you ate meat you would've had an increased brain capacity (as stated in the link i previously) and thus understood that.
**** you're such a clown.
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Humans are also not meant to use the Internet but you're using it. Why are you?
Have you consumed anything you should not have tonight?
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........this literally does nothing to refute anything I've said. I'm clearly wasting my time here. I've given you both the science on a very basic level and practical examples and anecdotal evidence, you never seem to read the post... 6/10 troll tbf, you've elicited a good amount of genuine response, could have been higher but you look like a total fool in the process.
The majority of people get sick when eating raw meat as it isn't meant for them. Humans also dont have the teeth to chew through complete raw meat.

I am sorry but if you are arguing against facts then it is you who is the troll not me.
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The majority of people get sick when eating raw meat as it isn't meant for them. Humans also dont have the teeth to chew through complete raw meat.

I am sorry but if you are arguing against facts then it is you who is the troll not me.
Why do you think you know better than the majority of the worlds scientists who classify humans as omnivorous?Surely they're not all taking part in some massive meat eating conspiracy, they have better things to do.
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I am not attacking I was just stating the obvious. And again you cant handle the truth.
Creating hypothetical scenarios doesn't help you at all. I bet if you were stuck on a mountain with you and only a few other people and you were about to die from hunger, and one of the other people dies. you would eat their body to survive. What relevance do these scenarios have?

Humans were designed for hunting? seriously what a stupid argument- who designed us? Some skydaddy?

Yes you can eat whatever you want but dont come crying to us ehen you get all these diseases because of it you little child.

Imagine being stuck with you- how awful.
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Assuming you believe in evolution (though I hear it causes diseases too), we evolved to have the most efficient body to survive in our environment. Our feet are incredible shock absorbers, our skin furless to aid cooling via sweating, bipedal to save energy for running, large brains to process the complex needs of group hunting like concepts of future and making guesses as to where the animal will run. Hunting is our nature, just as foraging is. If we didn't need these adaptations we simply wouldn't have evolved them. But if we only needed them we'd have evolved to be completely different again... We're the single most versatile creature on the planet, capable of living almost anywhere on land. And its not because we have to rely on one food source. We're adaptable.. so if we live in a forest we can eat the shrooms and berries but if we live in the plains then let's scran out on a zebra, because that's how humans rolllll.

If I was dying then sure I'd become cannibal. I hear we taste like chicken or pork. I bet you'd be tasty :P All that hatred bubbling away must make a nice seasoning. Like basil, perhaps.

Eating meat doesn't just make you drop dead. Some of the best athletes in the world are meat eaters and some are vegans. Most people eat meat and its not like vegans live drastically longer. Eating meat also doesn't mean you eat excessive amounts... So there's no need to be hyperbolic either. Variety is the spice of life, as they say.

Out of interest, were you raised eating meat or was this a relatively recent decision, etc? If so, what were your main motivations, what convinced you, etc.?

(Also, since I cba to reply separately, insulting a best selling author is a sure fire way to look daft again. I couldn't run for years because of shin splints before reading Zenhabits and finding out about the barefoot running movement. Turns out you don't get any pain if you run that way... McDougall's book is a great narrative to give back story on the movement. Honestly, I'd recommend it to anyone whether the data is there or not. It's so much less painful to run)
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Because its not cooked? Raw meat can contain bacteria that can make you dangerously sick and can kill you? Would you eat a unwashed carrot with pesticides on it, and flies droppings? I don't think so.
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Its a sanitation issue, in Japan I have eaten raw beef, horse, chicken and fish in restaurants that specialise is raw meat. All of these animals were however raised in a way they would not contain dangerous bacteria (for example eating raw chicken from a UK supermarket would be incredibly dangerous).
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